Interesting, yet totally meaningless without elaborating on what you believe a live players and top online players winrates are at those respective limits.

That hand only gets outdrawn 12.36% of the time, and it splits 33.56% of the time. Just being pedantic since the original post is from 2009 so doesn't matter now

1. How can you sit and say from one post about online poker that someone has had, 'A long life with minimal meaning ?'


2. Why would you dream of telling someone they've had a long life with minimal meaning anyway ? What a vile thing to say to someone, to sit and tell them their life has been of minimal meaning. How do you think that's going to make someone feel and why would you want to make anyone feel like that ?

He just wanted to wind someone up.

Worked, didn't it?

With practice this is a fairly easy thing to do as people tend to write in a way that represents how they think. That skill set was hardly needed in this case since he basically gave a blog report of his life, and from that report an entry such as "I finished off a 2 pound chili dog in one sitting" would be a special highlight.

For what it is worth, he has done more than you. He doesn't sound like he is dirt poor.


Let me make up for it by offering you some suggestions that will cheer you up.

Start a new thread on your thoughts on the poker world. Maybe bring up some issue with ipoker as a change of pace, or if all of your trial software has finally expired, maybe post about how your manual statistical analysis is going. Think happy thoughts while doing it.


P.S. If you add a "Heaven's to Betsy" before saying "What a vile thing to say" it will add some historic flair to that statement. Try it sometime, you may like it.

P.P.S. In case you may not be aware of the expression, let me do a google search for you (as I know those prove difficult for you to complete)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...s%20to%20betsy


Hope this cheered you up.

All the best.

Egads!

What's with the whole "sitting" thing? Is it more terrible if he's sitting down?

HOW DARE YOU SIT THERE AND SAY THAT? YOU!<---- SITTING THERE.. TALKING ABOUT HIM SITTING THERE.

wtf

LOL!

I think FTP may have been practicing his powers of logical deduction by reasoning that if someone is typing they're more likely to be sitting down.

It's a pity he can't apply the same reasoning and probability skills to his poker. If he could he might do better and spend less time on here whining.

Live poker RNG is rigged

Sound familiar to anyone?

I think there should be a requirement for online poker room shills who post on a poker forum entitled 2+2: they must able to put two and two together.

By definition, when experienced poker players claim that online poker software is being manipulated by programmers in order to increase poker room profits, we are by-in-large talking about getting our money in with either the best hand or way the best hand, then being outdrawn at an incredible rate that heavily “outstrips” the real, immutable pot odds. (The site I’m playing on now shows no evidence of manipulated software, so this is just a walk down memory lane for me.) By definition, when you get your money in with the best hand, you are playing better than your opponent, not worse.

You guys have to be working off a script or something, like telemarketers, because your handful of stock answers don’t mesh with the rigged posts a lot of the time. Like in my case, and your ridiculous assumption that my long runs of bad beats before I quit playing on FT and PS were somehow the result of bad play. No, one has nothing to do with the other. Read the above paragraph again to refresh your memory. By definition, when you suffer a bad beat it means that you are playing well, because you got your money in with the best hand. When we complain about long strings of bad beats, it means we played better than our opponents on every one of those hands!

Our Testimony is out Evidence. While it’s true that eyewitness testimony is not proof, when thousands of people are witnesses to a crime, there’s a pretty good chance the defendant in that case will be convicted. People are routinely incarcerated on the eyewitness testimony of only one witness. We have thousands.

Check out my boy on Youtube. Watch what he’s complaining about: long long strings of bad beats after he has run his initial deposit up (to what point he doesn’t say. For me, both times, it was in the neighborhood of 600-700% of my deposit. Must have been all my bad play that did that for me). Particularly pay attention to his plaintive frustrations of the unreal suckouts: Every time, every time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r89tSAxAu0c

The sad part about humanity, however, is what your employers count on to keep their scam rolling along, P.T. Barnum’s favorite saying (which also filled his coffers quite nicely): There’s a sucker born every minute! (Hey Youtube dude, if you ever read this post, CHANGE POKER ROOMS, NOW! How can you complain about a rigged poker room in one breath, and in the next say you’re going back there again with your buddies to watch the suckouts and laugh? Maybe I’m a rigtard, but you guys are full-fledged ******s!)

If your employers saw this clip, they would realize that there is no need at all for you shilltards in these “poker is rigged” forums. You’ve already won. The oft demonstrated gullibility and stupidity of the human race, as revealed in the clip, is even more mind-boggling to me than your employers need to keep cheating people with their rigged software. But it’s something they can count on to keep the cash flowing, and flow it will.

If and when online poker becomes legal in the US, then there will at least be a chance of it being cleaned up. As it stands now: Caveat Emptor, baby!

No need.

The opposition is so lamentable they just get us from the remedial class at the local kindergarten. Save them money that they can then pay as rakeback.

If people were getting these unfeasible long strings of bad beats then a good number of them would have analysed their hand histories and presented the evidence here.

The fact that no one has done that is a pretty good indication that there is very probably nothing wrong with the deal and the steady stream of whiners coming here with their gallimaufry of weird theories are nothing more than poor poker players who cannot correctly calculate odds and do not know what a confidence interval is.

You switched from razors to basic addition, but in the end the formula is the same for guys like you.

If you make a claim, provide the data (hand histories) to prove it. You know, the ones the software saved on your hard drive.

You keep saying the same things over and over and yet never answer the simple request of your hand histories to prove your claims, so perhaps repeating it many times will force you to pretend to deal with it as an issue. If not, it will be fun to see what your next post will be which will of course offer no actual hand history database as proof.




Entertaining theory. Provide your hand history database as proof. Why won't you?



Entertaining theory. Provide your hand history database as proof. Why won't you?


You have the best "witness" with your hand history database. Why not provide it as proof?





Your taste in men is your business, but if you will not provide a hand history database perhaps ask him. Why won't you guys provide the proof to back your theories? Would take about 2 minutes to zip them all in a file.




1 in 4 people think the US government organized planes crashing into buildings. If anything, US regulation will increase the number of riggies, not decrease them.


All that will mean is there will be more people who will not provide their hand histories as proof, so you will have more guys with your same hobby at least.

All the best.

Haha gold! (though ironically if the technology actually works rigging live poker in that way would be much less detectable than online!(

You're describing a logical fallacy called argument from popularity: just because many believe believe something does not mean its true.

Add to that that eye witnesses in court cases are notoriously poor witnesses and numerous studies have back that up. It is made even worse when dealing with something like online poker, where the eye witness is claiming to have spotted a pattern based on thousands of hands. The human brain is dismal at accurately assessing such patterns.

I think that stat should be 1 in 4 Americans.

Even then I suspect it's actually a much smaller proportion and the remainder who said they thought that were just fed up with people asking stupid questions.

(Unless, of course, they can't tell the difference between a plane and a cruise missile. )

You are seriously still playing freerolls after 4 years? You freerolled even during the golden bonus whoring era? Did you ever do instant bankroll promos or anything?


Anyway all of those guys played their hands way better than you, especially that first one. Want to know why? Because it's a freeroll worth almost nothing with I assume very few prizes of value, so unless they put their time as worth about .000001 per hour the best approach is to get it in there 6 ways and if you win you have a nice huge stack to play with after the hand.

If you lose you save a ton of time (compared to being a weird loose passive nit like you).


I bet you are one of those guy who will stall near a 2 cent bubble.


Serious question, how much freeroll volume do you put in a week? You are kind of amazing in a way.


P.S. Congrats on finally learning how to convert a hand after 4 years.


Any chance you can just post your whine blog in the sports betting forum? Lots have huge threads where they post all their picks and are essentially only posting to themselves. You would fit right in there.

I refuse to pay for something I think is a scam- I don't give a **** if they initially pay you to play, either. I actually have fun playing, but I save my money for the real thing, which I do play at Foxwoods, and mostly profitably, too. I realize a high roller like yourself finds this odd, but then, I don't give a **** about that either.

Playing for fun is perfectly reasonable, though seriously you really do suck at the game based on the hands you post, so as I already said you should never play for real money for that reason alone.

Waiting a couple years with your account and then suddenly spamming pointless beats in a whiny blog like manner that nobody actually cares about and even other riggies ignore in a huge rigged thread is genuinely bizarre behavior, especially for a guy who plays "for fun."

Take up darts or something and then you can whine about rigged dartboards at this site

http://www.dartsforum.co.uk/

Except that this isn't happening otherwise one of you clowns would (should) have provided proof by now.

I thought you said you understood what we were saying about you but apparently you still don't. Rather than responding to previous posts you are again ranting and whining about "shills" and getting screwed out of all in equity. To repeat what I and others have already said, either:

a) you are lying.
b) you are telling the truth but refusing to post the proof.

Instead of ranting and whining could you explain the fault in this logic or explain which of the above is correct and why you are acting this way?

Good advice from a guy that has 2200 posts here and God knows how many on other poker forums, and probably has spent at least as many hours reading and writing in these threads. Tell me, do you get paid for this at least? Or should you take up darts, too?

OMG not the 9/11 crap. Huge difference all star. There is really no chance the US govermnent is responisble for 9/11 but when it comes to being able to alter the outcome of cards online is a tad more possible. Especially when nobody is watching. Great try again oh great one. We haven't had any more of your stories about how you win $2 rebuys. Whats the matter people caught on your tight playing style?

"In poker, pot odds are the ratio of the current size of the pot to the cost of a contemplated call."

So we're supposed to take what you say as the words of an expert witness, when you've repeatedly confused pot odds and EV, and your "testimony" is on something far, far more complex?

Others come and go, but you are still my primary bitch.

Thanks for lowering my pretend buy ins to $2 now, pretty soon it will be $1 and then freerolls in your mind, even though of course there are sites which show the actual data.

If and when the US government regulates online poker you will see more riggies out of the woodwork believing Obama or whoever is President at the time is behind rigging all the software just as you see "truthers" believing Bush blew up buildings.

Only amusing thing will be if this sets up a battle of riggies with the angry xenophobe racists (such as yourself) on one side and the more standard "Big Brother" evil government riggies on the other.

In the end I suspect all riggie factions will agree the games are still rigged. That's what riggies do, and then some grace the world with their freeroll beats, while others like yourself whine over and over and over.

All the best bitch.

lol ydward still posting garbage hand pffft at least i can't see it just when he's quote :/

P.S yesterday had 0.60 now 12$ obv. rigged for me, nope i just need to be patient and applied ABC Poker to the type of game i'm good! after playing 2 month with $$$ i finally learned it's SnG 18&27 and now i'm trying to fix my leak in this game. and btw i'm playing in avg 20% of my hand now and fold TP when i know i'm beaten ;D


P.P.S Your ego it's your worst enemy for this game. imo

This SnG18 is obv. rigged for me

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t1285 42.83 BBs
SB: t1490 49.67 BBs
BB: t1335 44.50 BBs
UTG: t3465 115.50 BBs
UTG+1: t3590 119.67 BBs
MP1: t1730 57.67 BBs
MP2: t185 6.17 BBs
Hero (CO): t2000 66.67 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is CO with K J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t185 all in, Hero calls t185, 1 fold, SB calls t170, BB calls t155, UTG+1 calls t155

Flop: (t925) 9 Q T (5 players - 1 is all in)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t480, SB calls t480, BB folds, UTG+1 folds

Turn: (t1885) 2 (3 players - 1 is all in)
SB checks, Hero bets t840, SB calls t825 all in

River: (t3535) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)



And now i just need to steal some Blind and again i will be in the moniez

2 hand laters


Poker Stars $1.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t1190 23.80 BBs
SB: t5355 107.10 BBs
BB: t2160 43.20 BBs
UTG: t1125 22.50 BBs
MP: t1445 28.90 BBs
Hero (CO): t5200 104 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 3 folds, UTG calls t250

Flop: (t675) 2 2 Q (2 players)
UTG bets t250, Hero raises to t950, UTG calls t575 all in

Turn: (t2325) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2325) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)



2 hands later

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t1190 11.90 BBs
CO: t5330 53.30 BBs
BTN: t1810 18.10 BBs
SB: t1745 17.45 BBs
Hero (BB): t6400 64 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with K J
UTG raises to t1190 all in, 3 folds, Hero calls t1090

Flop: (t2430) 3 9 K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2430) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2430) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)


Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
Always folding until i hit something

Yeah obv rigged! (Sarcasm)

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t1400 14 BBs
SB: t1945 19.45 BBs
BB: t4755 47.55 BBs
Hero (UTG): t7290 72.90 BBs
UTG+1: t1440 14.40 BBs
UTG+2: t2035 20.35 BBs
MP1: t1855 18.55 BBs
MP2: t4055 40.55 BBs
CO: t2225 22.25 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to t200, UTG+1 calls t200, 7 folds

Flop: (t550) J 6 K (2 players)
Hero bets t300, UTG+1 calls t300

Turn: (t1150) T (2 players)
Hero bets t400, UTG+1 calls t400

River: (t1950) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t600, UTG+1 calls t540 all in

How is almost every single rigtard post in this thread completely devoid of logic or completely missing the point of the person they're replying to.

Somebody points out 1/4 of Americans think 9/11 was organised by the Government i.e. there are a lot of paranoid morons about so regulation will change nothing. Somehow you

a) read this as him endorsing the 9/11 idea (I think, because you have a history of it)
b) tell him he's wrong
c) tell him rigging would be easier
d) lie about poker ("nobody is watching")
e) (apparently) lie about the tournaments he plays in

So your post basically consisted of you somehow (without realising it) agreeing with him in a passive aggressive disagreeable manner and them making some unrelated lies. Not only that but you actually make your own argument even weaker by acknowledging the ridiculousness of the 9/11 and suggesting the rigging idea is much more believable.

If a quarter of people can believe something so ridiculous then you would surely agree that a larger number of people airing their concerns about the "tad more believable" rigging idea without any evidence via stupid polls or awful cherry picked HHs would be equally meaningless.

I'll concede that there is a greater chance of online poker being rigged thant the US government being directly responsible for 9-11.

However, in neither case is there any credible evidence for the asserted hypothesis so, under the rules of natural justice, both parties are equally innocent as neither have been proven guilty.