the irony of someone named abcde getting out wordsmith'd.

Well, at least we know why you're losing.
Hand 1 - unless you have like 20bb left, what range calls a shove? (hint - it's ALL better than 55).
Hand 2 - good fold.

Hand 5 - seriously? You call an overbet on the flop with TPMK, what the hell do you think he has? Especially when he continues on a board pair then fires river. Get your head out of your own cards and think about what thee guys are telling you about their hands. Their notes on you probably say "complete fish will stack off with any piece".

Convinced this thread is getting trolled now, all those hands are super standard I don’t really get what they’re supposed to prove.

This could be the missing piece to the puzzle.

Damn....Im currently on a 10buy-in slide, stepped down in stakes to drop another 5 buy ins at some of the softest tables i have played in over a decade. When you are card dead against opponents who dont know where the fold button is, there is no way to win.

Normally I laugh when QQ gets beat by K crap(allin prefkop), ormy king high straight gets rivered by a flush with 86 sooted! after the villain 3 rounds of betting....but after running ice cold I will light up the chat box.

This thread makes me feel better... though I am disappointed theres no longer a Global riggie thread...

There have been bizarre experiments that show our thought process can affect an experiment results, especially at the quantum level, see the double slit experiment and go from there. Here is something that hints at the subject:
https://www.wired.com/2005/07/mind-may-affect-machines/

I say this because I expect to lose, especially when I am running bad. I expect my opponent to hit their 2 and 4 outers and most of the time they do.

In a spooky quantum physics sort of way, does anyone actually believe that ones mental state can 'rig' online games?

No but I do believe in confirmation bias.

4:00 "I win" "Bye-bye"



Mental state??

Indirectly, sure.

Having a poor mental game and being susceptible to tilt can make you play worse which in its own way exacerbates your variance issues.

Pardon?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ussion-1668142

** Forgive my English Please as I am not fluent ***

I am new to poker and don't know the game very well so was wondering if someone can help me. I know that poker is skill game right? I played on GGPoker and Ignition and am wondering how I can be get good like the people that I play versus. I rarely make a good hand and most of the time I miss pairs etc. on flop but the people play versus me always make straights, flushes, sets, and always seem to have it. How can I learn to get those hands? Everybody says that solvers are why online poker is hard to win. How do solvers know what cards that am I dealt? My opponents always make the perfect play and their bet sizing is based on my hand and not theirs. I would love anyone who disagrees to sit down and play 5 minutes and tell me that these players are playing on a computer screen just like me who also can't see my cards. I see the same patterns of everytime I raise with Ax (10 to 2) suited, then I get 3-bet every single time. If I raise with a pocket pair, I get 3-bet every single time, if I have KQ I get 3-bet every single time, and when I have AK, KK, or QQ then they call. If you try to bluff then they will make the most insane hero calls and always be right. Then when you have a hand they fold and if they do happen to call and they are behind they suck out because they know what cards are coming. Anytime an opponent plays a hand, I know that it is because they know they are going to have the best hand by the river. I've never had someone put money in the pot when I had a good hand or when I won a hand. These games are not random, they are filled with cheaters.

Oh I just tried GG's blackjack game and that is so rigged it's hilarious if anyone would think that it is random.

If someone could help me figure out how to be better at poker that would be great. Remember I need to learn how to:

1 - make more hands (flop sets, straights, flushes etc)
2 - prevent others at the table from seeing my cards
3 - prevent them from knowing what cards are comming (early access to rabbit cam)

These accounts have to be in the names of family members of the site owners and are bots that can see all the cards. Maybe they are people that play but they can see the cards, the players play based on my hand and not theirs. It gives me the creeps when I play and why everyone denies it I truly don't understand when all the evidence points to that. It's not solvers when it goes against GTO strategy. When an opponent is capped and I am not and they call down with 88 on a board of K-3-9-J-K with 3 hearts on the turn and he calls off no problem when I'm bluffing. That's not GTO because I have more flushes than him, I have more K's than him and he has a pair of 8's with 3 over cards and yet he perfectly against picks off my bluff. I tried a couple things to test them and they never fail to prove themselves. They will call 3-bets with weak hands and bait me into the perfect play for them every time. Everything is backwards online, flops that should be good for hand don't mean **** when you get action. I wonder what GGPoker really is for because it isn't an online poker site. It is so rigged and it is so obviously rigged that they are making a strong statement that they don't want regular poker players playing on their site. They want your money and they will get it from you as fast as possible. Maybe it's just a front so that people can launder money. It's not a poker site where the other players at my table are playing on a screen where they can only see their two cards like me. That's not the case at all. It's a joke. GGPoker is associated with the WSOP and so now that is all a big scam too. Those bracelets don't mean **** anymore, especially the online ones. Russ Hamilton did win one after all. Just saying.

Math in poker is very easy to know the odds with all the tools available and yet people say that these sites aren't rigged when the math doesn't add up on these sites. Tonight I lost a big pot for 200+ BB's when I had AK of hearts and flopped A-7-4 with two clubs and we get the money all in and he has QQ. Rivered a queen obviously and I wasn't even surprised to see it. I knew that since this obvious bot put the money in that I was screwed. I'm 86% after the money went in on the flop and 95% on the turn but that means jack **** online.

Online poker as a carnival game that appears like it should be legit but its rigged as **** as soon as you play it.

If you truly believe that everything is rigged against you, you should quit. You're not going to be able to play a sound strategy if you get so emotional.

There is no chance that major site like GG and PS are rigging any of the poker/casino games, they make billions from this and have to be security checked by third parties to be able to operate in most countries.

Maybe you should play live games if you don't trust online. Or maybe find a new hobby.

Like all your other posts, this belongs in the riggie thread.

For people unaware of OP, he regularly makes claims of "always' and "never" regarding poker hands happening against them and has never once shown anything close to proof. OP spews nonsense and writes selective scenarios and doesn't ever show HH.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...edition-255990

Can't say much about collusion, exactly same situation in any else application. That's not application problem, be careful choosing games.
But rigged RNG is biggest problem of Pokerrrrr2 apk. I don't even have any doubt at all, this is not variance etc., this game has clear rigged RNG. Of course I don't have proof, but playing more than 3M hands of PLO in my career without any "rigged" thoughts before after first 10 sessions i was sure. (Even I finished up, running superhot).
Biggest problem here is that they actually passed GLI RNG test and they has full certificate.

Game is rigged but ran super hot and won?
Seriously man, I have stuff that I water twice a week smarter than that.

yup. Every hand I won/lost was supercooler, but can easily realize thats rigged RNG, water it few times more (:

you really should water your plants more often man. they're starving

Except when you thought PokerMaster was Lol.

Make sure you never ever post a full hand history to support your vapid 100% rigtardia nonsense.

Of course, but it's no surprise that casinos are going to do anything and everything they can legally to maximize profit - and the term "legally" doesn't necessarily translate to "ethical and fair" which are relatively subjective terms anyway.


What are the governing laws, and do they offer/omit language that would allow a casino to assert controls in either a direct or indirect manner that could ultimately influence our bottom line?

For example, I'm under the impression that while state lottery draws are completely random, laws still allow them control over the amount of online gaming and scratch-off payouts, much like casinos do with slot machines and their online games, right? Or, even if they are random, there are laws (or a lack thereof) that allow casinos to do the whole "there was a glitch" routine to contest a big win.

And I'm sure we all know that poker bonus spins and the prize amounts for spin & go type games are not random spins - so obviously there's language allowing that. None of us really have a problem with it for obvious reasons, but could that language allow them to legally exploit other areas of the game that may not be as obvious or as well received?



Transparency and Accountability for RNGs

Awhile back I read a post online about RNGs having multiple algorithms that are switched out periodically. Is this true?

On the surface I don't really see anything wrong with that especially if it's switched out randomly as well. It'd be similar to washing or switching out a deck, or even a dealer. But with an RNG there would be data showing how each algorithm performed, both randomly and monetarily.

AFAIK, 3rd party auditors are more interested in randomness rather than how much casinos are banking off rake. So great, the algorithms are random, but just because there is a small margin of error in randomness, doesn't mean small margins for the casinos. If that's the case, algorithms that are both random and perform better for the casino might be used as they see fit, rather then letting one algorithm play out the way that it should, randomly - not switched out at will for whatever reason. . . like not performing as well between 7-10PM and tends to pull in an overall lower rake. Even if it's producing more trash or variance than usual and people are leaving, wouldn't it be better for poker if they just let it play out, or would it really matter since it's all random anyway?

And again, I don't know if this is even how it works, just wondering if the language in all these new laws in various jurisdictions might allow for things like this.

Think about that for a minute. If a casino wanted a higher return, they could just legitimately alter the payout structure of the machine. So why would they resort to some underhanded RNG manipulation? And also keep in mind that cranking up their return per spin doesn't necessarily mean more profit. If people never win, they're going to stop playing much sooner. It's my belief that the casino can maximize their return (IE the balance between their return per spin and customer enjoyment) within a reasonable legitimate payout %. Rigging casino games makes no sense IMO.

I've never heard of such a thing, and I don't know how you think that would work, or why they would do it. I'm wondering if you understand what an RNG is.

I didn't say anything about RNG manipulation. And in the section about governing laws, I wasn't even directly referring to RNGs



Right, so the House is granted control to deal with such issues to protect both itself and their players from some random freak occurrence or other undesirable results so as to optimize overall satisfaction of the players collectively and maximize it's profit, correct?





So again, the house is protecting both itself and their player pool by setting a reasonably legitimate fixed payout %, correct?



I didn't say anything about rigging casino games.




Well don't wonder too far - I just said I don't know if this is even how it works. I understand that there are both hardware and software based RNGs and that algorithms aren't created equally. How the mechanics or underlying processes operate, I haven't a clue. Neither do I know how various poker sites differ in their management of said mechanics and underlying processes.

I found the original post from another forum where I first heard of this idea - and just to be clear, neither he, nor I are saying it's rigged or that it's necessarily a bad thing on the surface:



As for why they would do it, the OP's reasoning in the quote above was to protect against inconsistencies that may be hard to detect. You also mentioned balancing profits with customer enjoyment, but if it's all truly random and working properly, then it should all balance itself out in the long run anyway without the need to meddle around.

Ultimately, all I'm really asking is if they do in fact switch between various RNGs/algorithms like the OP suggested? If so, do they have detailed information on the overall profitability for each of those processes, and how is that information used?

For obvious reasons, online poker sites do not reveal much about their RNG's. It seems you are placing a lot of stock on an off-handed remark from someone saying they wouldn't be surprised if sites switch between multiple RNG algorithms.

I will echo what a previous poster replied to you mentioning this idea:

Well don't wonder too far - I just said I don't know if this is even how it works. I understand that there are both hardware and software based RNGs and that algorithms aren't created equally. How the mechanics or underlying processes operate, I haven't a clue. Neither do I know how various poker sites differ in their management of said mechanics and underlying processes.

Seems like nobody here does either.

FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDRAND

Why should ? I wrote my opinion, why you fount it so offensive ? Unless you are agent, I really don't understand.
I played there some superdeep PLO4 25-50-100 tables with huge whales (8max). Players knew each other from live games and I was sure there wasn't nay collusions while the game Host lost 3M in 4 months, but the sdws was insane. Can show you some on pm but not want to expose some player SN's here. Anyway In the end I quit the game while after 20 sessions (days) with some profit but after 3M hands in my PLO career I have no doubt, RNG was clearly rigged and I just don't want extra variance on that game.