wiki, that may be true, but there's nothing wrong with people not knowing stats in detail, many (including myself) have a lot to learn. That's part of what this thread is for. Toltec has been asking questions and that's fair enough.

Might be more constructive to elaborate how you could tell a rigged deal without knowing any hole cards to help toltec and others understand.

I'm going to be driving through Horsham soon.

Hmmm, on the trail of the programmers who set up the rigged RNG and now live in secret with their millions paid by pokerstars and full tilt?

My condolences.

My comment to 'Wallace wins' : 'Wallace loses' was not based on anything he had to say about poker deals.

It was purely based upon the fact he lived in Horsham.

OK.

If they rig the deal then either:

You will see certain players winning with patterns of hole card distribution that are out of kilter with expected.

or

You will see patterns of wins with particular hole cards that are out of kilter to those expected.


This has been explained in great detail by QPW and Spadebidder on numerous occasions.

Thanks.....

Ahhh, Josem's comment seem far less random now!

Maybe you mistyped: you said you didn't need to know ANY holecards, which I don't believe has been discussed to date, and which is different from what you're saying here.

So we have a new "riggie" theory as u like to call it......the hole cards are essential to stat analysis...

Can you get 1 billion hole cards from pokerstars?

You can get 100% of your hole cards from PokerStars in the hand histories.

I don't know why you would need 500 million such hand histories.

I said can you get 1 billion hole cards from pokerstars.

What part you didnt get?

1 billion hole cards / 2 hole cards per hand = 500 million hand histories

What part of that didn't you get?

I got all of it. I said you can get 100% of your hole cards from PokerStars.

If you played 500million hands, then you can get 1 billion hole cards.

If you haven't played 500million hands, you'll need others to contribute.

I think it would be good to have not only MY hole cards what is obviously I HAVE, but the hole cards of every player in the hand....


So let me make a question:

IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY HOLE CARDS AND THE OTHER PLAYERS HOLS CARDS?

Thats a very basic question that will help us to talk.

WOULDN'T THERE BE A LOT OF CHOPPED POTS IF THERE WASN'T?

I came 2nd out of 2632 entrants in a freeroll on UB on saturday night.
I won 8 dollars.
This was probably my 150th attempt.
I had only made final table twice before.
BUT this time instead of watching TV, surfing the net, ringing pals up for a chat, sitting out to cook some dinner, and drinking loads of beer like I usually do, I put my whole heart and game in to it.
It worked.
I feel I played great.
No, I know I played great.
It ain't fixed, but if you don't put everything you got into it it will appear that way.
Poker is one of the hardest games to master in the world, and to win, at any level, you got to concentrate full time, on every player and every hand.
If you do you MAY win.
If you don't you lose.

I can't imagine any possible reason Stars would have for denying this request other than a secret lizard people conspiracy. I mean, it's not as if those hole cards could be used for any nefarious purposes.

Good for you.

What do you mean? Obviously on any one hand they'll be different.

However, both sets of hole cards are randomly generated, so they'll be random. Since a card that is dealt to you cannot be dealt to someone else in the same hand, they're not independent of each other.

Honestly, there's really nothing left to talk about. Somebody wake me up when something new is brought to the table.

That's what he meant. (At least, as I read it.)

Hence the 'chopped pots' quip.

I didn't mistype but I expanded slightly for the explanation you requested.

It's possible to catch most rigged deals without knowing the hole cards of anyone who didn't show down. (I assume you accept that when I said 'no hole cards' I meant none that were not shown automatically at showdown. )

When I answered your question I also added checking for abnormal distributions of hole cards on a per player basis for which you obviously would need the hole cards. Oddly, this is not a common accusation - presumably because it would be trivially easy to disprove.

I was looking at another thread and noticed qpw was banned, checked his previous posts for a "ban me ban me" request and did not see one.

Anyone know why he was banned? Was it for something he did in this thread?

BOBO WHAT GOAL IS THAT IN YOUR AVATAR?

Looks like it was for his behaviour in OOT, and it is a permaban.