um, how does that mean that beatme1 doesnt play exactly like pokergirl z and grego?


see i admit when im wrong because i'm honest



LOL you have no idea what i do know and what i don't know

um, maybe because beatme is the same person as poker girl z? maybe that is kind of relevant?


do u even contend any specific point of mine?

No, I am sure they are linked.

How many players did you wade through to find 4 that act like that? 150 maybe? Who's being intellectually dishonest again?

There's three type of accounts. There's the old bots that were banned. There's the new bots that appear to have been banned. And there's the bot maker/buyer accounts.


Well I won't be responding to any more of your posts. Can you just tell me if your name is Lisa?

you said that in the last few months all of those players have been playing pretty much exactly the same.
Since one of those players wasn't even playing AT ALL the last few months then obviously this is impossible.

The poster is finding an issue with your claim based on a semantical error.
I saw that and mostly thought the same thing but I assumed you meant that all of those players in the past few months, and the way beatme1 USED to play back when he was actually playing, are all almost identical.

but I don't blame that poster for pointing out that beatme1 can't be playing so similarly the past few months if that account hasn't been playing at all.

Reading through some posts its pretty clear that

beatme1 = SillySal = Tetrahedron

While I initially wasn't sure whether she was using some form of artifical intelligence assistance I have now been convinced.

i didnt articulate myself clearly

daurgman used to play a certain way 8 or so months ago. then he took a break soon after the bots were banned and came back. i maent that say that the 'new' daurgman played like those other accounts always played. afterwards i backed off the assertion that the 'new' daurgman played like them tho.

Cliff notes after she got banned? Why is this still on page 1?

If sillysal had been a successful HU player why use a bot?

The Op said they had been playing on Full Tilt for 2 years and is that they only used a bot recently??? What would be the need to take the risk if they were already successful? Or was it that it took Full Tilt 2 full years to catch OP?

Mods, can you verify this via IP etc?

Many possible reasons. Maybe she got greedy and to get more hands in used the assistance of a bot. Maybe she had side projects she wanted pursue and maintaining a particular lifestyle would have required her to play too much. Again, pure speculation but there are many reasons.

I don't think anyone but OP really knows what the timeline for any bot usage actually is/was.

Again, could be greed, could be interest in other pursuits, could be a bunch of things. FWIW, OP definitely sounds very intelligent and for those persons poker can get boring pretty quickly. So what do you do if playing poker for however many hours a day just becomes plain boring but your other interest wouldn't provide you with nearly the same lifestyle as poker? Again, just wild speculation.

Lets just say before Crazy Mike first went public on his website with the original mid/high HU limit bots, FT probably had no interest in actively tracking down bots (or so I have heard).

Ok fair enough and thanks for responding, but how come you are now convinced he/she was using botting software?

Actually, OP sounds intelligent enough not to do something that dumb (hopefully I'm wrong). If you just skim through the posts of SillySal, beatme1, and Tetrahedron I think it becomes pretty apparent.

For one, since I think SillySal = BeatMe1 = Tetrahedron, that in itself is pretty telling. Moreso, I think FT's bot detection methods are more sophisticated than I originally thought.

but sillysal said she doesnt even use PT, so how could she have those stats

cliff notes:

sillysal posts that FTP are being very nasty
bandwagon starts to roll
ftp are evil devils
oops ftp catch thieving cheating bstards
lets not give ftp any credit anyway
ftp are evil evil people
yeah but ftp still handled it poorly lets beat up ftp anyway
damn what did ftp do wrong - dont know
ftp must be guilty of something
lets hate ftp anyway

You think the way they handled everything was ok? You would be happy of that treatment if you were innocent (I am not sal is or isn't), but some people they freeze accounts of are innocent and they still have to deal with this poor CS department.

FYP.

I LOL'd

I've read every post in this thread and have the exact opposite impression. Care to elaborate?

Won't someone analyse tetrahedron's hand histories? (I don't have time.) If tetrahedron=sillysal, aren't they all the more interesting?

Only a couple people who've posted in this thread really have any idea what techniques FT has at their disposal to identify botters. They won't say anything specific for very obvious reasons.

when i opened this thread I didnt know it was 8 pages long. lol. I read thebeatme1 thread months ago even before people were making accusations of it being the same person I was thinking that. mike haven should check the i.p addresses.

Also i think it is pretty [censored] up to take someones money for stats being similiar to bots stats. they need to make it clear to people on these forums why there doing these things, other than "stats".

also gehrig and mike gatorade you both sound like douchebags

I think a lot of people agree with this judging by comments here and in other threads. Can I just ask why?

It is a serious question as I havn't searched (sorry). They just seem intent on exposing bots.

(BTW - sorry for my dumb cliff notes above - I was drunk. But now I'm sober)

Bc people are wrong. I think gehrig's tone in this thread has been professional and reasonable.

I have checked the IP addresses of posts, and I cannot see any correlation. No doubt, other mods will have checked them too, and will correct me if I'm wrong.

Cheers!

Does anyone knows BTW why Gatorade stopped updating his website after 12th of July?

Otherwise on the topic - of course freezing account for so long is nonsense. Especially in bot detection. You either have evidence of automated play or not. You either have technical/statistical evidence of multiaccounting or not. What one needs to investigate for 20 days ?!

Investigating bots is useless, especiallty if producing issues for all players. Investiating multi accounting is perfect, but I don't see how this should take more than a day to be conclusive.

Silly Sal has been playing for about 2 years. Just recently she was accused of being a bot. All account monies are confiscated. Shouldn't they just confiscate the money since she became a bot, since with their sophisticated software system they will know exactly when this began.

I'm not saying she is innocent or guilty--I really don't care. But why should all of her money be confiscated if she only recently (if you believe the accusations) became a bot?