Am I missing something or why hasn't this come up yet?

Full Tilt

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/rake.php

PokerStars

www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/rake/


I know FT & PS should be seen as somewhat separate entities but do we really have to fight this all over again? I thought it was already well established in the PS player meetings that raking micros to death is in no one's interest. I mean come on, 6.66% for uNL?!? 5% vs 4.5% for most people.

*sigh*

would be great if they ajusted to pokerstars rake chart i agree

yea they might as well. i imagine they'll fix this in the near future.

Don't forget that Stars rakes continuously while FT rake is incremental

Also, they can do whatever they want with the rake. They don't have to be the same.

do we have a good simulation of how much the rake actually is over like a 10k sample with same playing style at the different stakes?

do FTP rake the deal it twice ?

i know they used to but do they still do ?

yea these tables are not comparable at all

while there at it maybe they should name FTP, Pokerstars 2! Two different companies run separately under one company umbrella.

Oh yeah you're right, I forgot the continuous/incremental issue. I guess 4.5% vs 5% is about the same then.

But still, higher rake for uNL used to be bull**** before BF and it still is today. Especially now that PS has actually lowered the uNL rake.

Is the rake on FTP the way it was on Black Friday or has it changed since then?

looks the same from what I can remember.

It's ok guys, there will be a 2p2 rep in about half a year that the FT rake problem will be discussed. In the next meeting about a year from now, the time will come to finally make the changes discussed in the previous meeting happen. So no worries!

Bumb. Looking for some data to compare the two

Well high stakes HU players will still like Full Tilt, with a 50c cap on nosebleeds HU.


If you play nosebleed stakes, HU FT without even counting rakeback is same as 75% rakeback on Pokerstars. Add in the Edge and points and its higher still.

100nl Zoom/Rush last 14,179 hands on each site

Stars rake: 703.86
Ftp rake: 675.03

In preparation for the first PokerStars players meet back in Jan, I developed a simple command line tool to calculate rake based on pot-size distribution from your database for various rake structures. It's open source and supports various rake structures including pure-%, stepped and incremental.

however the results are based on total raked from a table, not contributed per player based on play style.

Cool. Looks about the same to me. I'd suggest the difference could be variance?

I think the rake rape on ftp is only for 10nl and lower

LOL, so after all the meetings and protests and everything. STARS INCREASED RAKE! And now people are happy

Nits gonna nit.

Stars just bailed out every FTP player on the planet, and now you are going to complain about perfectly reasonable rake?

If you aren't happy with FTP rake then move to Stars (just like before).

GTFO

Those numbers most likely are the result of different play styles on PS and FT or simply the result of variance. Generally PokerStars rake should be noticeable lower than FT rake.

I calculated the rake for both sites (plus party and titan) by using a fixed set of 10k hands for each site and various limits. Turns out, all else being equal, PokerStars is more than 9% cheaper than FT for NL50+ players.

Those are the relative rake values for the sites and various limits in big blinds / 100 for 6 max cash games:



Obviously those numbers will differ depending on play style.

More numbers and the method used to calculate those numbers can be found in my rake comparison article.

The 9 percent difference corresponds roughly to the 10 percent difference used in my rakeback comparison which basically shows that, for players generating up to $18k rake per year, PokerStars and Full Tilt offer the same rakeback despite FT charging more rake.

I can't for the life of me find any info on any changes to the rake structure at FT (apart from its now weighted contributed) but I was playing some rush today and noticed 'hmm, thats a LOT of rake'.

I was rake 65c in a $9.78 pot, thats 6.65% rake. I am guessing its incremental but I can't find the details, and thats a bit % increase just from incremental if its really still 5%!


The hand where I first noticed.

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/rake.php

it's the old rake structure, it's been around as far as i can remember

Oh, wow, thanks. Did not know less than 10c25c NL was being raked so heavily.

Sorry for failing so hard in my search, was clicking around the site for 10 mins or so and found nothing.