If you play on FTP, I think it's time that we have a thread solely to discuss suggestions for the post 9/30 update changes. I've put up a couple and I think we could help FTP tremendously by showing them what we demand and want.

The point of this thread is to make FTP accountable.

We cannot let them turn around, give us $200 in instant cash at a conversion rate of $200/125kpts and allow say that they are trying to "improve" their store or their rewards programs. Similarly, we must assert that we will not drop this subject and that they will not be able to grind our opposition down.

I think much attention is needed for the FR and nittier 6max players who have seen their effective RB decrease to 19-22%-- and cannot make up the difference with or without blackcard or iron man. It is an absolute farce that there are players on FTP who stand to lose more money with "27%" rakeback, IM, and BC all combined after this update than before.

I've put up some polls.

I encourage you to vote and continue with discussing suggestions to make FTP accountable for their promises to listen to our suggestions.

Tiered system is my #1 priority. No incentives to play more than 500 ftps a day?? When your effective rakeback goes down the more you play its a giant problem.

Bring back Iron Man Plus or make Tiered Black Card....

I put "no mgr hit" but I also feel that value of the BC needs to be better AND we need to FIX rewards (i.e. add tiers to points multipliers imo).

yeah seriously lol. WTF with the 1600$ hit for the 5k cash bonus, and also I have to play like so many more hands before they give it too me. So stupid.

I think instant cash isn't even a question, it has to happen. I'd like to cheaper bonuses in the store too, that'd be nice (although I think it's a long shot).

I dont even care about instant cash. Its the MGR hit that sucks.

As a micro cash game player it's impossible for me to choose just one..The "new" Black card and rake structure really screws me and any other "casual" player trying move up the food chain...

1..Fix rewards for those that can not get BC...Adding a reward like BC should not be just to break so many players even from what they received before..
2..Either improve the conversion rate or eliminate the MGR hit on bonuses
3..Add a level beyond 37+ months on Iron Man
4..Increase value in Iron Man freerols...Iron has been 30K since the beginning I believe...
5..Cheapen the bonuses in the Iron Man Store..At 900 medals per month it 4 months to earn a lousy $600 bonus($438 after MGR deduction)
6..

Why do people keep talking about "instant" bonuses? They'll probably give up that because all the zootards keep talking about it but in effect we get nothing. You don't get anymore money or lose less rakeback if the bonus is instant.

blah blah blah

threads and words arent going to do anything. If you really want to get them to do anything you have to withdraw your money and email them and tell them why you are leaving. Thats your only leverage, otherwise why would they change anything, you are still playing there and making them money

IDK about this poll but in the Answers thread a bunch of us agreed on:

1.) Tiers for BC
2.) No MGR hit for BC bonii
3.) Instant Cash bonii

as the most useful and realistic priorities.

No we're not. We're posting here and complaining.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with making our priorities known as we continue to play on the site (for now) and I could also argue that once you leave, they have no reason to continue to listen to you.

But I don't really want to get into a debate about it, so whatever.

I'm saying that instant cash isn't really a question, it's not a demand. It's an obvious move, and something they'll most likely do. Everything else is really a long shot. I don't think they'll remove the MGR hit, I don't think they'll add tiers. They might adjust the points for the bonuses, and I think that's the best thing we can really hope for. It's the one thing that we might actually be able to get done.

But while I've said that, I still think bonuses should be instant, and I think it's common sense at this point in the argument that they make it that way. It doesn't really change anything, and it seems relatively easy. Back on the getting rid of MGR thing, the reason FTP won't do that is because they just made points much easier to get. Getting rid of the MGR hit would be nearly twice as much of a hit now as it would have been previously. It just doesn't seem likely in my mind.

edit - Order of likelyhood with order of desire in []. There's a stupid trend.

1-Instant bonuses[4]
2-Point adjustment for bonuses (bonii?)[3]
3-Tiered system (A shotty version of what every seems to be posting about with the 2.5x 3x stuff)[2]
4-MGR hit removed[1]

Monday: Wow these apples are expensive!

Tuesday: These apples are still the same price? You better bring the price down or ill go somewhere else!

Wednesday: Im going to do it! I swear, im guna stop buying these apples off you if you don't bring the price down!

Thursday: Wow still the same price? That's it, im really going somewhere else next time!

Friday: OMFG! OMFG! You put the price of the apples up?! after i kept telling you to make them cheaper? This is te last time i come back here!

Saturday: I carn't believe these apples used to be cheaper! Im being ripped off here.

ect ect

+ better value items

IMO the MGR hit is because of the revenue share affiliates...The affiliates would be getting the freeroll..

We should deffo get 1,2 and 3. If not alot of regs will be leaving IMO. I think we will probs get it as well tbh. Tilt must realise giving instant bonouses should be no prob, doesn't cost them anything. Slightly ajusting the points for the bonouses wouldn't cost them alot either, and make people a TON happier. And making different levels of blackcard wouldn't cost them anything much either, as to gain the higher levels people will have to play more which is + for fulltilt anyways. If they did these 3 things it would make fulltilt superstars again and everyone would be super happy. IMO MGR hit removed will no way on this earth happen, like 0.0001% chance. So I think we should push for items 1-3 and i think we shoud get it.

tiers.

this
I realize people don't want RB hits on black card, but at least if they offer more benefits, the people without RB have a better deal, so I'd rather just increase the rewards by 27% than removing the RB hit

This.

+ removing the rakeback hit WILL NOT HAPPEN. So we should just remove that option from the poll/discussion all together and focous on realistic goals.

Seriously the no MGR hit idea is ridiculous.

The rewards are being watered down for non-rakeback players for you guys already. Now you want the rewards to be even better for you and worse for non-rakeback players?

Seems logical.

Then just make the stuff/bonuses cost more for rakeback players. Having a $600 bonus that is really only worth $440 is ******ed.

It drives me crazy when people think this makes any difference at all. Each FTP is going to be worth X cents. It doesn't matter if they set it up so that you pay more to get $600 or pay less to get $440. In fact, the $440 is better because it's easier to earn the FTPs to buy it.

I guess it could matter for rake races, but I've never seen anyone justify this nonsense that way.

yeah this, it's insulting to my intelligence that they think I will believe I'm actually getting items for the store for the price they say.

Did you skip 4th grade?

.27 * $5000

Punch it into your calculator

I'll hang up and listen.

stop trolling husker.