Hey guys.
Just a quick question.
For Full Tilt do you feel its better to play Ring Games at .25/.50/1 deep stack (200x BB Max) or the standard stack (100x BB Max).

I am looking at putting $150 on full tilt to build a bank roll and going to play the low limits for now most likely .10/.25 Deep Stack or .25/.50 Normal.

What do you suggest and why?

.05/.10 100BB stacks.

Seriously, 6 stacks is not enough if you want to build a roll. 3 is asking for busto.

If ur gonna play NL 25 deposit atleast 30 buy ins!

definitely play 100bb. but not .25/.50 with only 3 BI's lol. you'll be busto asap.

LOL at playing a normal 100bb game with 3 bis. Just a big wtf. This is coming from a guy that takes shots with 7-8 buyins for a game.

You can probably play .05/.10 games with 20-25 stacks BRM if you are very aware of your bankroll and if you are willing to drop down a limit if you get the variance work against you.

If you start with $150 and sit down at the .25/.50 tables, I would recommend to play the 3/6 HU games, that will have the same outcome (you being broke) but saves you time!

You need twice the bankroll to play deep tables, so 30 buy ins for 100 bb....60 buy ins for 200 bb (deep tables). Also there's a ton of regs in those games, you're better off playing the regular tables and picking off the terribad players and short stackers. Bad players arent sitting 200+ bb's deep.

a lot depends on the style game you like... $150 limits you a bit too... most books will tell you your buy-in should be no more than 1/30th your bankroll, which equals... $5

deep stack = 1c/2c, buy-in for $4
medium stack = 2c/5c, buy-in for $5

While the deep stacked games do tend to have a lot of regs it is not true at all that bad players don't play at them and with deep stacks it can give you a larger WR than sitting at a table full of 50bb fish. Speaking off 100 NL deep btw.

This doesn't seem right to me. Aren't bankroll requirements based on the size of the bb, not size of the buy-in?

You may be thinking of limit. No limit revolves around the buy in.

the books i've read always reference the buy-in, not the bb when deciding what level to play cash games...

but i've often wondered if the stack size should also be a strong factor... the deeper you are, the less variance you should see (i think) and therefore could handle a larger buy-in... anyone else's thoughts?

So I can safely short-stack 200nl with $1200 (30 "buy-ins")?

While BR requirements may be commonly expressed in terms of buy-ins, I'm fairly sure the math behind the requirements is based on the size of the bb (specifically win-rate and standard deviation which are both generally expressed in terms of bb's).

Now I can certainly think of psychological reasons why you might want more of a BR if you regularly play deep tables, but none based on math.

30 buy-in rule is not meant for SSers but rather is a generic bankroll management to be used for winning players. Calculating a true bankroll requires win-rate, standard deviation and risk-of-ruin and are very individualistic and require a large sample size to gauge accurately.

You still would need more money to play deep tables as opposed to standard tables(speaking in terms of the general Bankroll management) since your buy-in will be twice as big, but the buy-in number would still stay at 30.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you are sort-of contradicting yourself there. You are saying that the "30 buy-in rule" doesn't apply to SS'ers (buy-in is smaller than "normal") because "Calculating a true bankroll requires win-rate, standard deviation and risk-of-ruin" (and I completely agree), but someone playing 200 bb's deep has to have a roll twice that of someone that plays 100bb's deep simply because of the higher max buy-in.

In other words:

1) SS'er w/ 20bb buy-ins --> min BR of 3000 bb's (30 "normal" buy-ins)
2) Reg full stack player w/ 100bb buy-ins --> min BR of 3000bb's (30 normal buy-ins)
3) Reg deep stack player w/ 200bb buy-ins --> min BR of 6000bb's (60 normal buy-ins)

Say we have 3 players: one SS'er, one who plays 100bb buy-ins, and one who plays deep tables (say 200bb buy-ins). Also say that all three theoretical players have the same exact win-rate, std dev., etc. Shouldn't their BR requirements (expressed in bb's not buy-ins) be exactly the same?

I was trying to shy away from commenting on SS bankroll requirements since I don't play that style and frankly don't care, as well as stating that a 30 buy-in rule was not designed for them.

Also I stated that a deep player would need double the money compared to a standard player using the 30 buy-in rule since they are buying into their game for twice the buy-in of a standard player.

And finally, if a SS, Deep player, and Standard player had the same WR, SD, etc then yes they would have the same bankroll requirements, but this is a calculated buy-in not using a 'general rule'.

I feel like I am just repeating myself as I feel like you don't understand what I was trying to get at in my post, however perhaps I am not understanding your reply. I am not trying to get argumentative either, but I enjoy a good debate.

What I was originally trying to say (and probably not explaining myself very well) was that I don't think that a 30 buy-in rule is necessary for someone playing deep tables (depending on other circumstances). Certainly though if someone feels they need 30 buy-ins playing deep then that would require double the bankroll of someone playing standard tables. I can't argue with that logic

Probably a little of both

No harm done

OP, do not buy in for 200BB unless you are crushing the game. Additionally, you should really play in a lot of pots for 200BB BEFORE you start BUYING IN for that much.

I only buy in for 200BB if there is a fish with 200BB. Otherwise, 100BB makes for the easiest calculations, you'll find yourself more comfortable risking 100BB on draws/bluffs than having to play passive because of depth.

w/ 150 you shoul dbe playing .02-.05 as the maximum.
u'd prolly be better off playing .01-.02

If you played .25-.50, I think you would go broke in a matter of hours...

Play 100bbs - you sound like a fish, and your money will last longer. 200bbs only come into play if you have an aggressive 3 bet game, or aggressive postflop game. Otherwise, you'll just be spewing more money. As for BR requirements, if you SS, you need more than the std number of BIs, and if you play deep, you need less (as you are more likely to be all-in the shorter you are). I would probably go 40, 30, 20.