I agree...it is not much, my point was it is more, not necessarily much more...good point with the MGR hit.

Not true. When you clear your IMM bonus you do take an MGR hit.

Also, getting more medals because you have more base FTPs doesn't matter. You still have to make an extra 1000 FTPs to get the extra 10 medals and the 2X FTPs generated is worth more than 1X FTPs and medals.

Forget about IM+, 2X FTPs are way better.

The worst thing is, you are'nt getting any extra value by saving for the bonuses...you get more cash value by using them to play in tournaments.

$216 for the 750K is for 45,000 points.
That's $5,280 worth of tournaments for 1.1 million points.

So I lose $280 worth of value by saving up for that long....

Only thing it is actually worth is double the Full Tilt points because the bonuses aren't that good.

I'm most interested to see in what actually happens with the rakeback I already have....

Now, if you can buy some WSOP buy ins or something with the points, Id be more interested.....

Tournaments take time to play, time that could be spent playing your regular game, especially for cash game players. Also they are high variance. I would be willing to sacrifice the $280 to save the time and effort of playing 24 tournaments, and to secure a sure $5000 instead of a highly variable return from the tournament events.

Fair enough but everyone is using calculations to get max value. The bonus was not max value. 75$ token was pretty good value no rb hit.

Jesus...and that's playing 21/17

IDK...24 750K attempts could = alot more than 5k!!! I think most cash guys donk off money at tourneys anyway.....plus, I dont know that I can clear the 5K in 90 days...it would have to be during certain months when I am playin higher volume (summer)

But for the tourney and SNG guys who are now getting more points, using the points to play tourneys is a no brainer!

They really need to add another Tier to this program , or all those Million pt Items will never be attained.

you have 180 days to clear 5 k bonus , not 90

(Cross-post from other thread)

Cliff notes of changes for FR players who were >~800 FTP pts/day:
If you have rakeback and your weighted contributed MGR is >8% lower than dealt MGR, you will end up with a lower effective rakeback overall.


These calcs take into account the $ value of lost IronManPlus + the new BC point value / bonus.

Overall (for players who earned ~800 FTP points/day FR), new BC FTP scheme results in 2.2% rakeback increase (from 3.6%->5.8%)
Had FullTilt left the IronManPlus incentive in place, with FTP points being easier to there would have been a more generous increase of 3.7% (from 3.6%->7.3%)

Note that these increases do NOT include or account for any potential loss (or gain) from switching the rakeback method from dealt -> weighted contributed. So if you lose >2.2% from weighted cont method (8% of 27%), you end up with less $s overall, otherwise you end up with more.



Original (pre BC) New BC New BC with IronManPlus

Rake Paid $100.00 $100.00 $100.00
FTPs (FR) 900 2,000 2,000
FTPs $ Value $2.30 $5.84 $5.84
IronMan Medals 9 0 10
IM Medal $ Value $1.31 $0.00 $1.46

Total $ Value $3.61 $5.84 $7.30
Rakeback % 3.6% 5.8% 7.3%

Assumptions:
1) Pre-MGR value of 3.5c/FTP point in original pre-BC system
2) 4c/FTP point bonus - $500 for 125k in new BC scheme
3) Daily MGR = $100 -> avg of 9 medals previously, now 10 medals with BC, $600 bonus purchased with IM medals
4) 27% rakeback account

Great! So every 18 months (assuming with the double points I earn about 2 FTP per hand played) I can get a bonus....

Hmmm...well, time to grind in October and see how it pans out! I just wish they would offer something that has better value for the points if you have to save up that many...

Where is my own personal avatar??

I just sent in this email. I apologize for how poorly typed out it is. Would you guys agree with this?

I really like the idea of this new plan. I have noticed that a ton of your items in the store are way over 1million points. It is going to be nearly impossible for 99% of your blackcard holders to achieve one of these items in a calender year.

Is their any discussion about adding tiers to the program?

Say like, players who earn a 1k a day rolling avg get 2.5x ftps

3k rolling avg 3x ftps

and the big one would be 5k rolling avg 5x ftps


I believe this would work because it would reward the higher volume grinders and give the less volume players more incentive to step up their volume.

Now that Im thinking about it..the one big thing were missing is for Black Card holders, we are getting double the points, and we do have an opportunity to get cash bonuses instead of just tournaments. It's as if everything in the store just became half off for us! So, I guess that part is good...as long as the RB hit isn't bad it is a good thing.

Im still gonna free-roll tourneys with my points!

Am I reading this wrong? Weren't they supposto get away from this "split equally between all players dealt into the hand"... so all they did was increase the number of points per $1 of rake?

FTPs are still calculated using the dealt method, but now there are more FTPs per $1 of rake.

MGR is now calculated using the weighted contributed method.

i'm getting 10,000 points per 6000 hands @ .50/1 nl playing a 21/18 style.

Correct me if Im wrong but I cannot see any benefit using the points to buy bonuses, if you already have rakeback and you get an MGR hit when u use the points.


I cannot understand the cash game maths so I calculated for tournaments, for example:

As they say, you earn 2x points so:

To buy the $5000 bonus (1100000 points) u need: 1100000 p : 20p/$raked = $55000

Without BC: rakeback = 55000x0,27 = 14850$

With BC: rakeback = 55000 x 0,27 + 5000 - 1100000 x 0,005 = $14350 LESS RB!!


Plz tell me if Im wrong w my thinking.

$5000 - $1450 = $3550 is the value of the 5k bonus, FTP points remove $13.5 from rakeback per 10,000 points. You mathed up.

edit - Maybe I should add $14850 + $3550 = $18400

Right, people are overlooking this. I'm a 6max player, 1 point last week= 3.33 pts this week.

Last week= $1/raked=$1/point

Now= $1/raked= 10 points/6players= 1.67 points*2x pts= 3.33 pts.

they really need to do this. it would go so well w/ the purpose of the physical card itself.

I like this idea

fyp for email format

Why is that? My rakebackpros page states it clearly:

"Used Points: Every time you use Full Tilt points in the store or for tournaments you are deducted $0.005 per point"


Has that changed?

Exactly, and it would be more advertising too! With the Black Card, give us a buy in, a decent package, and I still need to wear my FTP gear in the $1500 buy in WSOP tourneys..Id be in in a second!

So for 400,000 points I get a $2000 dollar package to Vegas and an entry in the $1500 event...now its worth my time and Im happy, even if it is even money!

0.005 is removed from your MGR, 27% of that is removed from your rakeback

this is basically a saleman being told:

Next month we are giving you a raise!
You wait the month and look at you pay check you got 10$ more/week!
WOW! you are excited then you go collect your commissions, and they tell you that you no longer earn commission. FML