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10-08-2010 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by xPRODIGYx
Demon is 100% correct. How the hell does the agreement not include the player???

Also, why are you asking me to show you something indicating I am getting less than 27% rakeback? First of all, I never said this. Second, I said the method had changed, which would obviously change the total amount, not the percentage.

Finally, rakeback is an incentive for playing at the table, similiar (although quite different) to a prop player in a casino. Keeping a table full is just as important to a casino's bottomline...

Well played on your part...
BS, if that was the case then the backlash on Shorties would not have happened. They "were prop players too" SMH

FTP put the nail in the coffin of NITS exploiting the Rakeback System.
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10-08-2010 , 09:32 PM
"Shorties" still have the option to play in shallow games. Full Tilt did not make all games mandatory 50+ bb. That being said, that correlation isn't even relevant. The game types are simply offered, they are not an agreement...
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10-08-2010 , 09:33 PM
lol at Nits joining Shorties in the line at the unemployment office.
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10-08-2010 , 09:35 PM
now ur just trolling, please stop posting itt


I thiink bbv4life is more suited for u
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10-08-2010 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by xPRODIGYx
"Shorties" still have the option to play in shallow games. Full Tilt did not make all games mandatory 50+ bb. That being said, that correlation isn't even relevant. The game types are simply offered, they are not an agreement...
wrong answer. It was stated Shorties were exploiting a flaw in the system. FT fixed it. NITS were exploiting a flaw in the rakeback sysyem. They were getting paid for pots they did not play in. They were leeching off loose players. FT fixed this too.
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10-08-2010 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by demon102
now ur just trolling, please stop posting itt


I thiink bbv4life is more suited for u
You're the troll sir. I cant explain simple Math to u any plainer than this.

If you put 0 in a pot then u deserve 0. Rakeback means u contributed to a pot. Go back to Kindergarten.
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10-08-2010 , 09:39 PM
Fix the rakeback screw-up please Doug. Raise the % or something.
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10-08-2010 , 09:43 PM
I posted this in the RB percentage thread and Im posting it here cuz this thread gets more views and this issue is getting annoying with these threads.


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What is it about these threads that bring the trolls out of the woodwork? Can we get a mod to give out infractions to these tards who derail these threads?
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10-08-2010 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by demon102
I posted this in the RB percentage thread and Im posting it here cuz this thread gets more views and this issue is getting annoying with these threads.
You give me a good reason why u deserve another players Rakeback and I will leave you alone.

FYI: Anybody that disagrees is not derailing a thread. It means they disagree with you. I guess u did not learn Freedom of Speech either.
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10-08-2010 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TimM
I can't imagine they are going to do anything until they have had enough time to evaluate the effect of the changes on their business. And posting that is just going to piss people off more, so why bother.
this.

I dont get why everyone thinsk even if FTP was like "woa, we ****ed this up" that it would get changed in a matter of days or hours like everyone wants.

Im sure hundreds of hours (if not more) went into planning and evaluating and rolling out all the changes that were just made. You dont do all that work and then 180 in a couple days. Or knee jerk and do something that costs you big time down the road. So that same hundreds of hours of work would have to go into evaluating and planning whatever changes would be made (if any) going forward.

The majority of the player pool doesnt know dick all about the differences in what just happened, all they know is they got an email about some awesome new black card promo and that they make FTP points a lot easier now. How do you think it would look to them if like 2 days after they get this new and exciting promo its all of a sudden they get another email saying its changed again?

You are looking at weeks before anything substantial happens. Best I see for anything sooner than that is like instant bonuses, which is worthless anyway (which is actually why they should do it, cuz it would make lots of ******s happy as if they actually got something). I mean they gotta see how profitable this is and whether or not anyone actually leaves first. I mean looking at it from their end, why fix what aint broke?
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10-08-2010 , 09:48 PM
doug, this might be a crazy idea but: when you click "lobby" in upper right hand corner of table, it should highlight the table in the lobby when the lobby screen pops up.
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10-08-2010 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by laberrababer
did you buy something in the store?
Nope. Nothing. And I didn't play in any MTTs with overlays, either. This sucks.
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10-08-2010 , 10:04 PM
could everyone just ignore the ignorant stupidity of dwalker? hes the dumb**** that came in all the shortstack threads before ftp raised the buy in limits defending shorties and claiming ftp would never change the limits, nor should they. his favorite line was "step your game up" to all those that were correct in that they were hurting the game.

now, in this thread he claimed ftp made the right move to ban the shorties and lumps the nits in with them. telling everyone to "open their game up". hes just a moron that gets off on trolling. would be nice if a mod would ban him for the obvious.
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10-08-2010 , 10:27 PM
Ummm Doug, it's 10:17PM on a Friday night and there are only 9 2/4 and 1.5 3/6 full ring tables. Granted part of this could be MLB playoffs, NHL, etc, but the state of the midstakes+ full ring games were never great. I think the recent rakeback move is going to hurt any chances of having a viable multitabling environment for full ring on your site. Because unfortunately, if you can't get a 12-16+ tables going, a lot of multitablers really can't play on your site (unless you like rush). I realize you made a lot of the recent moves based on "fairness," (between who pays rake, and between FR/6max/HU/tourneys) but I think some *real* consideration should be given to promotional moves designed to maintain a presence in certain games (like full ring cash). It would be one thing if it was a dying game, but it's clearly doing fine (at least for now) at Stars.

By comparison, there are 29 2/4 tables and 22 3/6 FR tables on Stars. Granted, there are 70 players on 2/4 Rush, but surely, you want a presence in the normal games, no?

Last edited by DoubleFly; 10-08-2010 at 10:32 PM.
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10-08-2010 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dwalker012
Show me a signed contract. I have time to wait.

Unless u plan on suing then bend over and take it. McDonalds is hiring.
Not saying it is the case here but you do realise there doesn't need to be a signed contract for a contract to be in place right?

I suggest you brush up on contract law if you are going to make these sort of statements.

When you click the I agree box for anything you are entering into a contract even though you didn't sign anything.
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10-08-2010 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleFly
Ummm Doug, it's 10:17PM on a Friday night and there are only 9 2/4 and 1.5 3/6 full ring tables. Granted part of this could be MLB playoffs, NHL, etc, but the state of the midstakes+ full ring games were never great. I think the recent rakeback move is going to hurt any chances of having a viable multitabling environment for full ring on your site. Because unfortunately, if you can't get a 12-16+ tables going, a lot of multitablers really can't play on your site (unless you like rush). I realize you made a lot of the recent moves based on "fairness," (between who pays rake, and between FR/6max/HU/tourneys) but I think some *real* consideration should be given to promotional moves designed to maintain a presence in certain games (like full ring cash). It would be one thing if it was a dying game, but it's clearly doing fine (at least for now) at Stars.

By comparison, there are 29 2/4 tables and 22 3/6 FR tables on Stars. Granted, there are 70 players on 2/4 Rush, but surely, you want a presence in the normal games, no?
Signed up just to +1 this - this is a very serious issue.
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10-08-2010 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TheRaiderr
Not saying it is the case here but you do realise there doesn't need to be a signed contract for a contract to be in place right?

I suggest you brush up on contract law if you are going to make these sort of statements.

When you click the I agree box for anything you are entering into a contract even though you didn't sign anything.
I dont see a rush of players lining up to sue FT. What's the use of a contract if there is no way to enforce it?

That's cool. Keep calling me names. FT fixed an exploit in the Rakeback system. Now players are up in arms because the leeching gravy train has come to an end. U have four choices. Sue FT for Breach of Contract, Learn Poker, Move to another site, or dust off your resume.
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10-08-2010 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lajoe
could everyone just ignore the ignorant stupidity of dwalker? hes the dumb**** that came in all the shortstack threads before ftp raised the buy in limits defending shorties and claiming ftp would never change the limits, nor should they. his favorite line was "step your game up" to all those that were correct in that they were hurting the game.

now, in this thread he claimed ftp made the right move to ban the shorties and lumps the nits in with them. telling everyone to "open their game up". hes just a moron that gets off on trolling. would be nice if a mod would ban him for the obvious.
Yeah ban people for disagreeing with you. Ban people for being on FT side for making the game of poker "Fair for all by giving rakeback to people that contribute to the pot.

People are Trolls because they disagree with the majority. Thank goodness for Freedom of Speech in the USA.
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10-08-2010 , 11:58 PM
We call people trolls cuz they like to just argue and post nonsense. I dont think he should be outright banned but he should definitely get a warning or some infractions for trolling.


edit: just checked ur past post and the last 15 have been in this thread over the last 4 days or so and most seem trollish
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10-09-2010 , 12:00 AM
ffs after yet another missed addon: tilt please implement autoaddon already!!
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10-09-2010 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by demon102
We call people trolls cuz they like to just argue and post nonsense. I dont think he should be outright banned but he should definitely get a warning or some infractions for trolling.
I tell u what. You cannot BAN anybody for giving a different opinion from you. You call people trolls because you cant defend your position. You deflect the subject by attacking the person instead of the subject at hand.

You cant give me one good reason why u deserve rakeback u did not contribute money to.
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10-09-2010 , 12:05 AM
lol there u go again
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10-09-2010 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by demon102
We call people trolls cuz they like to just argue and post nonsense. I dont think he should be outright banned but he should definitely get a warning or some infractions for trolling.


edit: just checked ur past post and the last 15 have been in this thread over the last 4 days or so and most seem trollish
Lets be accurate. My last 15 posts in this thread is against the majority I'm for the changes FT made. So that makes me a troll. Thats laughable.
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10-09-2010 , 12:07 AM
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10-09-2010 , 12:11 AM
Keep making my point by attacking me. You still have not answered my question because u have no legitimate answer.
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