I say give them a little time to explain or adjust. If they don't adjust or prove everybody that the math being posted is wrong (re: ring game screwjob) well it's pretty obvious their image will take a hit with regular rake feeders. Both big sites frequently show lapses in common sense (to say the least) and while it's not an excuse for doing dumb **** my guess is they weren't bright enough to anticipate the uproar (not Doug per se but the other numbskulls) and as Doug says are listening to the players complaints. I'd be surprised if they don't make the proper adjustments here but it might take a little time. I'm not a shill, just the way I see it.

But, yeah if time goes by and nothing changes and the math is right.. that would suck balls and we should strike.

also 2.3k post

actually you are wrong, and he is dead right.

you are arguing something different than what you say you are arguing

This completely. Aggo, once again, with all due respect, please stop posting propaganda when you don't fully understand the subject matter. This isn't as bad a change that people are making it out to be (it could certainly be better of course re: Alobar's suggestion) but because people are posting without fully understanding what they're posting about it's becoming a mass panic.

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Will update. But if I don't receive a reply tonight before I go to bed the update will have to wait because I'm heading out of state tomorrow for a wedding, but I might have internet access there actually.

i'm not. I totally understood what he wrote.

i dont have any problems in straight up saying i believe there is a reasonably good probability that ftp is making more money by changing this rake structure to a weight contributed.

even if you CONSIDER that there are fish who signed up for affiliates who don't give rb-- yes, ftp does still pay those affiliates the same amount.

The facts are that no one knows how many active players in their pool
(a) receive rakeback
(b) do not receive rakeback but have an affiliate
(c) do not have rakeback or an affiliate

The only people who know this and who can model data to understand the effects of weighted contribution are ftp.

lol WAT? I made no such assumption. It does not matter which people have RB (all, none, half, one, three, etc, etc) in a hand, FT rakes it the same. DUCY? I guess not..

so basically this update is super awesome if ur a HU player correct? your RB wont change and you get 5x as many FTP...

Basically

OK, I have no clue what limits/games you play, but answer this question for me.

You are sitting at a full table (HU, 6m, FR, doesn;t matter) of whatever you typically play. Somehow (action does not matter) the pot becomes large enough to max out the rake. Do they take more than max if everyone has RB? Less? What if only one person has RB? The answer should be pretty obvious... They take the same (ie whatever the max rake $$ is).

FT rakes it the same but I believe that hat was being said was if Full Tilt reallocates rakeback payments from people who get rakeback payments to people who don't get rakeback payments then Full Tilt keeps more of the rake rather than paying out rakeback.

I'm not sure how correct that is or if affiliates are keeping more money or if Full Tilt and affiliates are each keeping some more money .... or how substantial any reallocation is ...... but I'm pretty sure that was what was being said.

Doug, I'm sure this has been asked before, but can FTP PLEASE introduce a way to change seats without having to leave the table and before a new person joins the game if there is a waitlist. Obv all of the people sitting at the table should have preference to a newly opened seat before a new player comes into the game. Some kind of seat change list would be great.

They may not gain the most from the new system but I think it benefits FTP more than the current system.

The higher VPIP players get a boost in MGR. Fish are generally the higher VPIP players so they will have a higher MGR. However they also, generally, do not get RB so that money goes back to FT.

You say it it is distributed differently and you are correct. More of it will be going to people with no RB.

Yeah.. I think most of us understand this, but this is clearly NOT what he is saying.

Ah well I just skimmed it.

so im still wondering why exactly people are saying that FT is taking money from them? how so? do you guys really insist on collecting rake in pots that you had no participation in? how is that fair to the people who actually put money into the pot..why should you get the same amount in FTP points as that person?

i dont think people are saying its not fair (from a general view) i think they are just saying its not fair in the sense that they will now be making less $ in RB then they were and they just want whats best for them

example like if your parents gave you $20/week allowance for doing nothing and then they just changed it to $15/week... you would be angry but fairness isnt really an issue

No one is going to be able to show just how the new weighted contributions are affecting rakeback until we get some data(obviously its going to be a negative impact). That wont be for atleast a week. But the change in ftps/hand is a lot bigger than you think it is. for me personally its an extra .004$ per hand which is about a 180-200% increase.

I'm not sure if people are insisting. It's just that when we signed up at FT and with an affiliate offering RB it was under the agreement of the current system. The agreement has been changed so people are understandably disappointed/upset.

this is highly annoying, get rid plz

Better than me! Still no response to my original email, this "new" support feels eerily familiar. Interested to see what they say.

So I can get rakeback now? Wouldn't that be fair that everyone can get rakeback?
No rakeback=no full tilt.

Comparing todays play to yesterdays, I noticed that I reached 256 points today in 50 less hands than I reached 204 points today. Small sample size obviously, (and I'm sure I was involved in more 200bb pots today, which would skew it), but maybe it doesn't hurt my ftps/hour like I thought it would.

Sweet update. You guys use up all your good ideas after Rush? Playing 10k hands a day seems much less appealing now. You are only making $300 profit a day in rake from me, I don't know why you'd make a good rewards program ever to keep me grinding.

Your FTPs per hand will go up, perhaps drastically depending on the game you play (HU more so than 6 handed, 6 handed more than FR).

The problem is, your rakeback is going to go down in all likelihood.

I thought the changes don't go into effect until tomorrow.