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12-10-2011 , 12:21 PM
Locked outta PLO. LOLOL.



Re: the net loss, I am getting 40% rakeback, and trolling 4 a bonus.
But still, dayum.
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12-10-2011 , 12:31 PM
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Your post raised some valid points, but I think you're over-stressing the aspirations of most players. A typical grinder isn't trying to be the next Durrr.
I think you are wrong there.
While the typical grinder isn't going to be 'the next Durrr' as you put it, that doesn't mean the typical grinder doesn't want to be the next Durrr (or at least earn that much money from poker)

Not ever footballer is going to be the next Pele, not ever basketball player will be the next Jordan, just as not every lottery ticket player will be the next lotto multi millionaire... but it is the fact that opportunity to 'make it big' exists that motivates/inspires many.

In the new 'casino poker' that these smaller sites are trying to present, the only goal is to reduce winning players so that the site alone wins.

If Durr and Phil Ivey et al could only win $750 a week what a joke that would be.

Who exactly is going to want to play poker if the biggest stars of the game earn less than joe sixpack the truck driver?
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12-10-2011 , 01:44 PM
is there any rule against playing on multiple skins on everleaf?
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12-10-2011 , 02:03 PM
You may only have 1 active account on the ELG network.

http://www.mintedpoker.eu/en/integrity/terms
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20. Each player is allowed to open only one account with ELG network. INTERMEDIARY and ELG retain the right to close a player account at any time and to cancel all the transactions pertaining to any player that has registered more than one account in his own name or under different names, in the event that INTERMEDIARY or ELG have reason to suspect that the registration of said multiple accounts has been undertaken with the intent of defrauding or cheating.
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12-10-2011 , 02:06 PM
thanks for that
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12-10-2011 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211

Looks like that software was made with paint.exe in 1994.
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12-10-2011 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flash237
In order for there to be fish there must be sharks. Why do you think people play poker? Oh right you think that they are playing simply because they like to gamble.
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We need the sharks, they are a major reason the bulk of people play poker (even losing players).
Not only do we need some sharks we need lots of sharks. Why? Lots of sharks inspire lots of new players. If we knew that only 5 people would beat poker for 100k+ next year how many would give up (I know I would)? Now imagine the number of people inspired to play if there are 500 people who are going to make over 100k, how about 5000, or 50,000 pros winning large amounts. Thats the kind of thing that can truly inspire millions to play and in the process site operators get rich.
as much as i wish this was true, its not. this is the motivation for the grinders which are only maybe the top 5-10% of players, the fish are not trying to be the next ivey they just like to gamble and poker is more fun than table games because there is more interaction and strategy. it never even enters a fish's head to think about possibly playing the game for a living or making some money each month, its just a fun way to blow their money. winning a tournament is just winning the lottery with some more prestige.

go play live for a while with some regulars, it may open your eyes to exactly who plays poker. see who gets invited to their private home games. its not the sharks, minus the well disguised LAGs and charming hustlers
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12-10-2011 , 03:05 PM
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it never even enters a fish's head to think about possibly playing the game for a living or making some money each month, its just a fun way to blow their money.
wrong.

Not sure where the notion that fish are just clueless ******s who exist solely to donate to regs and have no aspirations or expectation of winning anything comes from.
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12-10-2011 , 04:04 PM
When I started playing poker I was a fish (just like every other winning player was...we all started somewhere)

And the ONLY reason I started playing poker was:

1.) Thought it was fun

2.) Wanted to be cool like Gus Hansen and become a pro.

My question to everleaf management: Have you ever met a losing live player? Most losing players have some delusion that they're a winning player and either just don't keep accurate records, or they're currently on a "downswing." So even if this won't effect them, they'll think it will. Which will cause you to lose traffic. And losing traffic is the last thing your tiny site needs.
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12-10-2011 , 04:30 PM
it appears that my PLO restriction has been lifted.
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12-10-2011 , 06:03 PM
You suck Everleaf.
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12-12-2011 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MintedNeil
To put it into context, less than 0.004% of the entire player pool will be affected by this change. It is this 0.004% of the player pool that accounts for over 50% of the net win on the entire network.
I don't know who you are and have never played at everleaf but just wanted to say **** you for even attempting to pass this off as an accurate description of the situation. Whether you were dumb enough to believe it, or dumb enough to think we would believe it matters not. **** you.

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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
Even if you renounce your citizenship you still have to pay taxes for 10 years
This is not true although I have heard people say this before. I researched renunciation extensively earlier this year. The wording of the specific law leads to the confusion. I don't feel like digging it up again but what it really means is that you simply have to prove to the IRS that you have satisfied all tax obligations for the past 10 years before they let you renounce. I actually don't think its even 10 years anymore, like 5 or something.

Yes, it is illegal to renounce for the purpose of getting out of your current tax liabilities, meaning you are not absolved of what you already owe the IRS. Once the IRS agrees you owe nothing to them and have renounced, as long as you don't spend over a certain number of days in the USA each year you have no tax obligations to the USA.
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12-12-2011 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by HundredsOfStuff
I don't know who you are and have never played at everleaf but just wanted to say **** you for even attempting to pass this off as an accurate description of the situation. Whether you were dumb enough to believe it, or dumb enough to think we would believe it matters not. **** you.
Just wanted to say that neil admitted the number was wrong and it was closer to 0.4%.

*nice avatar
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12-12-2011 , 11:58 AM
who really stopped playing?

it looks like everybody complained but there are always the same people playing
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12-12-2011 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by iopq
except there is no way that you can make $750 week in week out
it will be more like week 1: lose $120
week 2: lose $100
week 3: lose $700
week 4: heater! still can't make up for the first three weeks losses because of $750 cap

so on weeks that you would usually make $1,000 and come out ahead for the month you're cut off from playing
why would one make more on one week than another? think holidays, when fish are plentiful and drunk... they're cutting off your most profitable times to play
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week 5: move to a limit where you can beat the game

I really can't help you with your game, but find that I have no problem taking of ~$20/day if I sit down and play. This would be ~$140/week and you as a professional should have no problem making double that since you do this for a living. that is +$250/week. Hence +$1000/month is doable, the better player the more money they should be able to take from the tables. But we all know that most of the players who whine about this are rake pros whom never will be able to beat the games as such and make it up from bonuses and rake back.
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12-12-2011 , 01:40 PM
Bigfish!!!!

You should bring back the old avatar of yourself, imo.
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12-12-2011 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by shoveifshaved
who really stopped playing?

it looks like everybody complained but there are always the same people playing
I stopped playing when they increased the rake last time. If I hadn't then, I would now.
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12-12-2011 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltTheTilt
I stopped playing when they increased the rake last time. If I hadn't then, I would now.
i understand. But im refering only to the 750euro cap.

a lot of people here said they would stop because of the cap.
and im curious to know who really did, cause it seems no one did.
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12-12-2011 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by shoveifshaved
i understand. But im refering only to the 750euro cap.

a lot of people here said they would stop because of the cap.
and im curious to know who really did, cause it seems no one did.
Options are pretty limited for US players. It's not like we can quit and go play on Stars or Party.
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12-12-2011 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by shoveifshaved
i understand. But im refering only to the 750euro cap.

a lot of people here said they would stop because of the cap.
and im curious to know who really did, cause it seems no one did.
I was going to stay in america and play on minted for the near future. Now I've made plans to leave at the end of the month and move my play off of everleaf.
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12-12-2011 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by khanrava
I was going to stay in america and play on minted for the near future. Now I've made plans to leave at the end of the month and move my play off of everleaf.
So, you are not a current player that stopped.

i was asking for people who was a player and stopped because of the cap
Looks like no one did
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12-12-2011 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BigFish2010
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week 5: move to a limit where you can beat the game

I really can't help you with your game, but find that I have no problem taking of ~$20/day if I sit down and play. This would be ~$140/week and you as a professional should have no problem making double that since you do this for a living. that is +$250/week. Hence +$1000/month is doable, the better player the more money they should be able to take from the tables. But we all know that most of the players who whine about this are rake pros whom never will be able to beat the games as such and make it up from bonuses and rake back.
lol I've lost $800 in 100NL HU to one guy (he randomly won 8BIs at showdown, my red line was positive) and made $800 the next day from another guy (tried to be too laggy and I never folded)
I can beat the game, thank you very much
but what if those two days were after the weekly reset? I would only make $750 back and I'd be blocked from taking action from the guy I was fleecing...

do you even know what variance is?
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12-12-2011 , 09:54 PM
people definitely did, there are maybe four games at 200 at peak where as pre cap there were many euro tables running. i've sat in empty euro and usd tables waiting for hours and i rarely get anything. im off the site as well
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12-13-2011 , 01:37 AM
Looks like ELG will become the network specially for the micro players. In a few weeks, maybe 50 NL is the nosebleed limit over there.
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12-13-2011 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by iopq
do you even know what variance is?
The bastard that always sucks out on the River?
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