those last 2 i recognize from 20s

so they jumped to the 100s together?

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poker_in_bb after a good win , become a losing and was barely breakeven....
won 12k+ last month

hb_kid is a small losing player in sngs and a winner in mtts..


ahh

and superking is a solidreg afaik

Dunno. But something is extremely hanky...

6/5/10 19:22 superking168
6/5/10 19:23 superking168
6/5/10 20:07 superking168
6/5/10 21:11 superking168
6/6/10 06:29 superking168
6/6/10 18:07 superking168
6/6/10 20:16 superking168
6/6/10 20:42 superking168
6/7/10 00:02 superking168
6/7/10 00:05 HB_kid
6/7/10 00:22 superking168
6/7/10 00:39 superking168
6/7/10 06:23 pokinho18
6/7/10 06:34 pokinho18
6/7/10 07:21 superking168
6/7/10 08:00 poker_in_pb
6/7/10 08:30 poker_in_pb
6/7/10 09:19 poker_in_pb

I see a list of dates, times, and screennames. What is it exactly, and why do you find it suspicious?

tigertrap.

all of those players happened to have blocked their SS (so I can't do a head to head). So far, there is always 1 blocked SS in each game. The chance of taking a 9-hour break, then immediately playing the in same game as someone else from before -- then taking another 13-hour break and again playing in the same game with that person -- come on...

All of this in addition to someone who happens to have an ROI of 7% after suddenly jumping into $100 DoNs! Oh, and he happens to be from the same city where a massive collusion ring ****ed players for $750,000+


Nothing suspicious about it

OK, have you reported this to security? If you see something suspicious then report it to security. Its probably best not to post about it here until security has had a chance to investigate. If the colluders find out they are being investigated, they might stop making plays that security could use to positively identify the collusion. Also they might try to quickly cash out most/all of the money in their accounts.

tigertrap.

we have to take care about it... more than once it happend to me to play against a player in almost all the games and took breaks at the same hours...
specially in reg infested games just PS has acess to all the data that is needed to be sure.. and for my last experiences i dont think they are doing a great job.

=/

Normally I'd agree. But someone else already brought up yzhpoker's name, and I'm pretty sure stars gets the message faster posting it on 2p2 than having it forwarded from department to department along with 100s of other emails.

Plus I think its important to show just how obvious this **** is -- and just how bad stars is at stopping it right now...

(oh hai der isle of man!)

^^^

if people lose a bit of their time and look at the entire post that ive made days ago http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../#post19295734 they can see how slow/"weak" is their detection in some areas. there is more than 20 evidences of a guy multiaccounting and he was still playing 1month after the denounce....

Obviously the current methods for detecting collusion let us down in this case. But for now its the best method we have, and hopefully they are looking for ways to improve it.

But when you say "I'm pretty sure stars gets the message faster posting it on 2p2 than having it forwarded from department to department along with 100s of other emails." I think you miss the point.

If you look at a collusion investigation report from PS, one thing they will look for is what they call "exonerating hands". This would be where one player busts the other, or does something that would not make sense if you were trying to collude.

If you put the alleged colluders on notice that they are being investigated you are giving them a chance to go and make these kinds of plays against each other. This muddys the water, so to speak, and could make it harder for security to make a positive determination that there is collusion going on. Also they could quickly try to cash out.

Also I think it is flawed logic to assume that security will find something faster if you post it in a thread on 2+2 than if you email it to the correct department.

From what you say it sounds to me like you did not report this yet. Why don't you just send the info to security@pokerstars.com. I actually wish you would, because I have a note on one of those players making a suspicious play, but with another player not on the list.

tigertrap.

Started just going straight down the list and found 5 tournaments without anyone with blocked/suspicious stats, but I still think its fairly damning. I'm out of searches, but here's where it stands:

6/5/10 19:22 superking168
6/5/10 19:22 superking168
6/5/10 19:23
6/5/10 19:24
6/5/10 19:32 superking168
6/5/10 19:39
6/5/10 19:42
6/5/10 19:50
6/5/10 20:06 superking168
6/5/10 20:07 superking168
6/5/10 20:07 superking168
6/5/10 20:09 superking168
6/5/10 20:18 superking168
6/5/10 20:20 superking168
6/5/10 20:24 superking168
6/5/10 20:25 superking168
6/5/10 20:26 superking168
6/5/10 20:30 superking168
6/5/10 20:34 superking168
6/5/10 20:40 superking168
6/5/10 20:40 superking168
6/5/10 20:41 superking168
6/5/10 20:48 superking168
6/5/10 20:50 superking168
6/5/10 20:52 superking168
6/5/10 20:52 superking168
6/5/10 21:03 superking168
6/5/10 21:03 superking168
6/5/10 21:04 superking168
6/5/10 21:11 superking168
6/5/10 21:11 superking168
6/5/10 21:12 superking168
6/5/10 21:17 superking168
6/6/10 00:14 superking168
6/6/10 00:19 superking168
6/6/10 06:29 superking168
6/6/10 18:07 superking168
6/6/10 20:16 superking168
6/6/10 20:42 superking168
6/7/10 00:02 superking168
6/7/10 00:05 HB_kid
6/7/10 00:22 superking168
6/7/10 00:39 superking168
6/7/10 06:23 pokinho18
6/7/10 06:34 pokinho18
6/7/10 07:21 superking168
6/7/10 08:00 poker_in_pb
6/7/10 08:30 poker_in_pb
6/7/10 09:19 poker_in_pb

you guys are getting carried away

since when was poker_in_pb suspicious??

Why do you idiots still play these

zomg bumpking is the head of the collusion ring!!!


Don't Fear Chinese Gold Farmers

I posted this in the other Stars thread too. Im surprised Lee says these things and personally I would have bet on them cheating and knowing their history in mmos I would never make statements like this about the goldfarming chinese. These guys take any mmo they farm gold for and find any "exploit" they can to get any advantage possible. Not surprising after finding this "exploit" that they all are hording there to extract as much money as they can. They'll keep trying/perfecting their method until either DONs are gone, they find a more profitable method, or something relatively profitable that isn't as easy for them be caught comes along.

I played with hb_kid many times. I don't like him but he is no cheater from what I seen. I remembered his location is huntington beach and i know that is in California.

Why are you people speculating those 3 players are cheaters because they have their stats blocked? You guys really need to stop pointing fingers and mentioning names before you have any solid evidence.

Have you guys checked out kikz His sharkscope stats are blocked as well. I wonder why? Kizk, you suspect they might be cheating because their stats on sharkscope are blocked? Your stats are blocked as well kid. Why is that? You better have a good explanation for this because now you are a potential suspect as well then.

And quit crying over that package. You lost heads up and now just trying to post your thread everywhere and you even broke the rules by trying to make a deal with the other player during the game even though you knowingly did no DEALS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

Just unlucky that he happened to have blocked stats and be in 3 of 10 games that I initially grabbed from a list of 250. Why "self-policing" DoN regs would block their stats is beyond me (since that is how 99% of widespread collusion is verified)

yeah calling players out is a bit off.

no harm in searching for all this stuff tho... just call em out after u have found them 'guilty' & not before imo.

"yeah calling players out is a bit off."-Yes I agree, unless you have damning evidence that you are willing to share.

Even then I think the best thing to do is report any suspicious activity to security, and let them do an investigation, before you post about it here.

The truth is that most of the time it's going to be very hard for a player to reliably detect collusion, as you just don't have access to the players full history, with all the hole cards, the way security does.

Posting about it here before security has completed their investigation could help the cheaters, and hamper security's efforts to identify colluders and seize their accounts.

tigertrap.

I find this Post VERY FUNNY because when i was playing on my account on stars last month i noticed these Asians players and they would always be at micro/lows stakes or double or nothing games and im pretty sure they were working together. They also closed the search feature for their naems so you cant follow them to see if their actually on same tables.

good thing i moved to FTP! =)

Funny how YOU HEARD about cheating. im chinese and im disgusted by you ****ers and your actions. i was playing PS a month ago and i FELT soemthing Fishy going on at the 6 handed micro tables. usually 2-3 were from china.

**** YOU!!

They need to get rid of these DON's ASAP. Good God what a debacle this is.

How do I get compesated for my losses? Do i just email their support with my PS primary email? Do i have to bring up cheatesr names?
any help would be great

Also I think collusion is happening at full tilt also
It would be good if i can see their city not country on FT.
I believe at micro/low stakes 6 handed and 1 table SNG'S there are cheaters.

great idea. why hasn't anyone else suggested this?

Got another random 1 buyin collusion credit, and haven't played a double or nothing in two months. I guess these are from the random colluders they're catching now from everyone throwing emails their way about suspicious play? Still waiting on Chinese compensation.

It is a fact that the chinese collude on many online pokerrooms.
Its a serious bussines by now,and they are making lots of money in their "pokersweatshops" as i call them.
They are doing it in massive multiplayer online games(WOW etc etc)
always exploiting weaknesses in the game, goldfarming 24/7 and selling it.
I have witnessed chinese players on pokerstars doing the shuffthing,player x raises the bigblind x3 in early,must be a good hand,player chinese 1 all in...
player chinese 2 call...player chinese 3 call....the math is simple...
I have seen this more than once,i geuss all 3 of them sit next to eachother in some sweatshop playing poker.
Goldfarming 24/7!!
From where i stand,i say,ban them all....and move on,MMO community is banning them by the hundreds,they never learn.
They are a bunch of gamebot/pokerbot/pokercalculator using sorry bunch,and at the end,you loose your money to them.

For a while now.