Hey Everyone,

I would like to discuss how it is possible to achieve the break even point.
In the last 2 month I build two times a bankroll over 1.000 $ by playing 90 MTT Knock Out at Full Tilt. Then I tryed both times to increase my profit by playing cash game and I lost two times all my money in about two days. The Problem is I dont play bad poker but If you hit top set and get beat by the river with the better set than you drop a huge amount af your bankroll and things like that happens several times and I go completly broke. In Tournament Poker I only loose the buy in or bit of my stack but in cash game I lost by that way more than 200 $ in one Pott and that more than one times. By this way I lost close to 3 K in the same time in cash game.

I read so many times that people earn so much money with online poker but every time when I start to play cash game to get also more money I go broke.

What are youre experiences to build a huge bankroll? Did you stay at MTT and play just more tournaments or did you climb up a level or did you change to cash game?

I want to earn more but how? How long did you need to build a 10 K Bankroll?

best regards

!Xellent!

so you're making money at tournaments, but losing it at cash games? try not playing cash games

You are playing too big cash games obviously. And you probably are not as good as you think. Start at micro stakes and play there first to see if you can beat those games before moving up.

Based on your comments, I think you probably struggle at hand reading and playing on a deep stack. With rising blinds in tournaments it might be easier for you to get away with that since you rarely have what would be considered a deep stack and preflop play and hand selection are more important.

Also based on the dollar amounts discussed, you are probably playing too high in your cash games. If you haven't learned to win at them, you shouldn't be playing for hundreds or thousands of dollars right away. You should probably just play something like NL25 for a while and try to make a certain number of buy ins before moving up to the next level. Hopefully you'll learn something along the way.

You need 20-30 buyins for whatever level you are playing at. So, if you have a $1,000 bankroll, you should be playing 25NL or 50NL. And, whenever you lose below the 20-30 buyin level, then you need to drop down in stakes.

Play! Play! Play! Read! Read! Read! ...and of course seek help here. How long you need is up to you.

imho it is about adjusting your play for the type of game. Some factors to consider(apart from things like limit type, bankroll, stack size, opponents):

STT?
MTT?
Rate of blinds increase?/Antes?
Cash-game?/Blinds?
Number of seats?

Each one of these should have an influence on how you play which hand and when. Making the variations rather large. You need to chose which you want to play. Based upon my experience dealing with players' accounts, none of the winning players play all variations regularly.

Buying some books from the twoplustwo book store is a good start.

Thank you guys for the response!

I was reading in the last year about 10 poker books and have really understand the poker theory and practiced them as well. I had made some important cashes in this year. At a 900 field I was third and cashed about 1.400 $ and in a 750 field i was fifth and cashed about 1.100 $. Furthermore I play MTT with 90 or 45 players with a lot success and have no problems to build a bankroll up to 1.000 $ BUT and thats my problem even If I want to go for the big money I failed cause of playing cash game.

If I look at all the top and pro players I can see that they all are playing cash game and earn by that way thousands and millions of $. The question is how do they make the important step to go from 1.000 $ to 10.000 $ and from 10.000 $ to 100.000 $.....you know what I mean? I tryed it two times and been broke two times. I dont want to tell bad beat stories but Set over Set, Nut Straights against River Flush / Full House, flopped two Pair against better turn two pair, flopped full house against 4 of a kind and so on....I mean if I look at the hand of the pros they all put all the money in to the middle with this kind of hands and sometimes they have a lot worst hands. You know in Tournament Poker I usually win with this hands but in cash game I lost two times with those big hands all of my money. I can not understand how it is possible to build a huge bankroll when the variance in cash game is so BIG.

What are you guys playing for the big money: cash game or tournament? What are youre winning rates per month by each game?

Thank you for your help.....and sorry for the "stupid" questions but I really want to go for the big money but dont know which way the better way is and in which way it is really possible to make a lot lot money......

best regards

!xellent!

As another poster pointed out, your main problem seems to be that you're clueless about bankroll management. You should NEVER drop a huge amount of your bankroll in a single hand if you're serious about playing poker for a winning. If you do, it simply means that your bankroll is too small for the games you're playing. With 1000$ you should be playing 25NL, maaaybe 50NL. At those stakes, a single hand won't affect your bankroll much.

Building a 1K roll up to 10k is perfectly possible, I've done it and I know many others who did. However, you'll have to be patient and play the games you're rolled for. If you don't want to play for such low stakes or think you're "too good" for micros, simply deposit 3k and start grinding 100NL cash games. Also, a good rakeback deal will go far in helping you acheive your goal of 10k.

To be honest, I think you might want to read some of the basics in the beginners forum and get familiar with the concepts of variance and bankroll management.