This is my first post and I'm not really sure if I am in the right place. For a while I have questioned the use of bots on Bovada. I thought the anonymity of the players would lend itself to some shady stuff, mainly bots. I did some research and found a site called *********.com, a place where you can buy a bot for $129 for the year or something like that. I started reading forums there and it turns out that many (hundreds if not thousands) of people are using these bots. The program creator is also the admin for the forums on the site. What I found was pretty disturbing. It seems a lot of players are using bots on Bovada. "Egor" the creator/admin of the site claims that bovada has had the ability to detect bots for a long time and years ago they would shut down accounts affiliated with bots but in the last few years Bovada has turned a blind eye to bots because obviously bots generate rake and rake generates money for Bovada. It is kind of sad, for years I would tell my friends who were skeptical of online poker that it is in the best interest for any gambling site to be 100% legit, because once word got out it would destroy the brand. I guess I was naive. It seems most of the users of these bots play micro stakes and MTT, some with more success than others. I no longer feel comfortable playing at Bovada (or any other online site). I emailed Bovada and asked them if they turn a blind eye to bots and of course they said that if they find someone using a bot they CAN shut them down, not the answer I was hoping for. Again this is my first post and sorry its a long rant, was hoping to hear others peoples thoughts on this. Thanks.

Are these bits any good or can you make money off of them?

from the sounds of it, most of these people can make small profits but sign up through sites where they can get a high rake back program. Some claim thousands in profits but most play micros, SNG's and MTT. But even if it is a break-even bot they can make a couple hundred in rake back every month.

u can get high rakeback on bovada? didnt think u could get any rakeback

Yeah I'm pretty sure there is no rakeback options for Bovada whatsoever. I dont even think their "highstakes" regs get special treatment other than more favorable wire options, so I heard.

So wait, the guy who created and sells the bot tells you how great it is and that Bovada is allowing them, and you are so convinced that this is absolutely correct that you felt inspired to create an account here called "ShutDownBovada"?

I have no idea how strict Bodog is or is not about shutting down bots and how good they are at detecting them, but did it ever occur to you that the guys selling the bot might be a little, um, biased?

+1, Post of the day.

Yea but it was written on the internet.

The fact that Egor continues to update and release new profiles for his bots makes me think that they probably do work (and are possibly profitable at the lowest stakes) on some sites, including iPoker, 888 and Bovada. His site evidently does not recommend trying the bots on Stars/FTP, for reasons I think we can all guess.
Egor's also aware of this thread. He posted "No such thing as bad publicity" on his own forum.

Pro-tips: Don't play on sites that allow bots to proliferate.
Ask raketherake.com why they have an affiliate link with Egor's bot site.

Wow, always liked RTR not anymore though.

Anyone else feel this thread should be deleted? Wouldn't be surprised if OP is Egor tbh

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Foulest post of the day or you are totally blind or you just do not want to believe. Buying a bot isn't "public secret" for a years. Question is - how good they are, but good enough to beat lower stakes and show profit with RB.

Am I the only one who thinks OP is a shill for the bot site?

Edit: I see bluffyou mentioned the same

I think that there could be bots. I play mircos a lot on bovada. I do believe that any good player can beat them. Some player types may seem like bots. I be more worried about super users than bots. No way to track the player.

Yes , there are bots on Bovada and I Poker and ACR , I have tried this toy and many of the profiles that sell on Egor's site. It is not a scam per say, But none of the profiles written for free or sale can win. I tried them all in 2013 for a year and it was fun at first as a novelty , but I lost money overall as most will. To play against the bot would not be a threat to most as it is mostly TAG and ABC style which really can't be improved on because of that. There are no bots above NL .10 and the ones on micro limits can break close to even because of the poor players at that level. They do a little better in MTTs (micro) but that is mainly because they hold you in the game longer to help with bordom etc. Overall the Poker sites would be better to turn a blind eye as they add to rake and such. I have now started to play micro limits without the Bot and besides the tilt factor , I find I win more on my own against them then when I had one playing. Final conclusion : Not much of a threat and probably a waste of money for someone investing in one. play yourself and try to improve that is my conclusion .

^ I dont currently play 10nl, but i did start out around there when i first started building my roll again. If there are bots on bovada then they are terrible. Maybe they're just additional fish to eat.

And i hate your account name OP. Should be banned and thread deleted just for that.

wow, skimmed through that forum to see if real, and i really doubt they have put on that much effort if they werent working/selling. as some one else said they should be micro slim winners or rakeback grinders. so sad sites allow this.

as a rule of thumb, if you are going to play online, do it at pokerstars imo

There are also bots at poker stars , full tilt , basically all sites. They will get caught at poker stars a little more often , but they are there . Bots playing solo, are not likely much of a threat anywhere , the biggest worry that players should have and watch for is collusion . If by bots or players. Some of the more math dependent games such as Fixed Limit and heads up will have the better bots at your table , again probably lower limits . Overall from following bot play and forms I believe they have donated more to the poker sites than they have taken . The biggest winner in the bot saga is the creators and sellers as they get paid win or lose. Like I said I tried it and followed all directions and still lost thousands of dollars as most will. I am not trying to advocate for a place for bots , but I just don't want real poker players that are still learning to be scared off by the idea of bots and also , recommend not to waste time trying one as it teaches you little about poker and you will most probably lose money. I find all the poker sites I have played on to be trustworthy with my money and if they turn a blind eye to bots so be it. If they see collusion from either side , I feel confident they will ban them , and take care of swindled players.

Yes.

LOL, what?

It sounds like you were so desperate to find someone to disagree with so you could rail about bots, that you completely ignored the part of my post that very clearly states my post wasn't commenting on how Bodog handles bots.

Let me spell this out very clearly for you. Bots have been an issue for many years - more so on some sites than others, but I have no doubt that at some point, pretty much every site has seen some botting go on. Some sites handle it better than others. Some bots are better than others, and of course they're improving.

That doesn't change the fact that going to a botting forum and taking the word of the bot creator as to how great his bot is and how certain sites ignore it, and then creating an account here with a name implying that a site should be shut down based on what the bot creator told him, is way, way beyond ridiculous. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

Absolutely. It's like the commercials for donotgotocreditkarmadotcom.com

The bot forums delete the negative stuff from unhappy customers. If you follow the forum you will see the unhappy customers outnumber any advocates 100 to 1 . I will assure you if you sign up and play with a bot you will have a 1 in a 100 chance of coming out ahead. You will also have put in a lot of time , because there are many crashes, misplays and other issues that go with it. You may delete this thread if you want , but I am here to say Botting is not profitable , and more time consuming than other forms of Gambling. If you doubt this go ahead and give it a try. Make sure you report back here with your honest results. If you report negatively on the bot thread you will be deleted.

these bots are pure rubbish. they're basically break even rakeback grinders at 2nl with the capacity to 4-6 table max or else they get all buggy and start making crazy errors. you'll see some people post screen shots of being a 3-4bb/100 winner over 50k samples and **** but they're the ones running good. there are just as many who run bad over those samples and lose. so even if they run good and have a good rakeback deal they're making like $0.35 an hour, essentially meaning you'll have to run your bot around the clock for a month straight before you even break even before somebody reports you. good luck with that. oh, you want to be incognito and thorough as to not get busted? after about 3 months and you just finally break even, you'll realize your efforts would be better compensated doing just about anything else that pays.

anybody who's running a bot/software that is worth a damn is not in the market of selling them for a couple hundred $'s. if you have a product that is literally a zero effort money printing machine you want as few people to have the code as possible for some very obvious reasons.

there is truth here that the sites are ****ing pathetic when it comes to detection and prohibition of bots. Bovada could basically buy a version of this bot, find out how it works, then develop a protocol for recognizing and insta shutting down accounts that match. they won't, though, because they're greedy pig ****ers.

Your initital comment/thought sounds like you are laughing on guys, who think that they can buy a winning bot. It's wrong - everyone can buy - just use Google.

Usually bot owners give introductions how to mask your bot and lower risk to get caught, and if you are regular reader on private bot forums, then you know, that there are some pokerrooms, which are quite liberal about botting.