There was no explicit threat but there was certainly an implied threat.

I agree with you on the collusion/safety issues. These are real problems and are the best argument about why anonymous tables won't work (unless Bodog has vastly improved secruity).

I also agree that you can also lose short terms reads (although I doubt most players will regularly stand up just to sit back down, but I guess its possible). I just don't think that having reads based on a player's screen name is any more the part of the essence of poker than being able to pick up tells, yet you don't seem to argue that on-line poker in general destroys the essence of poker.

Also, I don't think most causual players will see it the same way as you. I really doubt most casual players care at all about the ability to have reads (either long or short term). All of my friends who play casually and are losers, are shocked when I explain that I track my opponents long term. Most simply play there own cards and only pay attention to other players if they are a complete maniac.

2 phone calls FROM Kyle to your company, 34 min on hold, and 2 hang ups on Kyle by your company is the new thanks???

Then again we are talking about bodog here, so prob.

O and that was 2 min after you asked him to call your company.

take a hike
you don't answer any direct questions in threads or pms about things like this security bug or where peoples rakeback is going if they signed up with rakeupdate.com
you are as useless as a broken condom, so you actually fit in quite well with bodog support

It's pretty amazing and mind boggling that of the 365 (I counted) indvidual questions, concerns and compaints that have been made in the last week on the forums this is the one item Bodog responds to.

This says a lot about Bodog and how much they care about their players.

It's pretty sad if you ask me.

And yes, it would be better to answer none.

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So, your crack software team has overhauled the code so that account-identifying data is no longer sent to the client?

Or did they just add another "1" to the IDs?

Also, this isn't a bug. It's a result of a major misunderstanding of the basic functionality of your own software and the expectations of your player base with regards to security; like many of the so-called 'bugs' in the new software.

There is no evidence the "bug" has been fixed and we should assume Bodog is lying to us... again.

Bodog has called your bluff of taking your money elsewhere or Calvin Ayre is full of it flat out lying which seems more logical.

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/onl...sy-120811.html

I think this might be the same as a post above just the gambling911 write up of it.

There definitely was an increase in payout because the time received went from 7-10 days to 15 days.

Bodog is just trying to spin it like its no bid deal

Yeah, nobody is cashing out their $$...thans why it says 3 weeks for my check....last check i ordered took 4 working days.

Bodog is so full of sheite....i have lost all desire to play there....ever

I think that's an issue Bodog overlooked to be honest. Casual players (their clientele) are already leery about online poker, getting beat in ridiculous pots by "player 1" isn't going to ease their concerns.

Thinking they are being cheated (whether they are or aren't) and not knowing who they are playing against is going to cause some casual players to quit. And this is coming from someone who didn't hate the anon tables (didn't love them either) before KyleB exposed the security risks.

Respond to the post matthjacobson made please. You're (bodog) is clearly ignoring the fact that collusion and dumping chips, multiaccounting are super easy now. But this is more than icing on the cake mam.

If you guys do not like the anonymous tables then i doubt bodog is for you
there is pro and cons for the new anonymous tables but looks like as i expected this is more some sort of childish payback now you cant get bodog to cancel the new anonymous tables and they fixed the issue this thread is about

lol, sorry to say but if this is true, you guys just got owned.

Pathetic with all the bitching.

edit: alright, after reading some posts after this was made it looks like this was maybe spin. Also, that was a little of the old AP/UB frustration coming out but you just never know with online players. There's probably a bunch that would have stilled played FTP if they opened up after moving to Kanawake or whatever.

Also, jazzyfresh45 has made some sound posts in this thread. Well done.

I seriously doubt they fixed the issue. Now anyone who hires an Indian programmer can completely unanonymize the tables and have a huge edge on the field

NOFX before this change (1 week ago) estimated time to get a check was 7 days. It is now 3 weeks. This is solely a function of people cashing out.

Two accounts closed. Dude, it's just another spin. How many now have no money in open account? That list is long.

So they've lied again with the "no spike in cashouts"?

??? Why would you trust bodog saying that? Of course they're going to say that

I honestly can't believe they said anything about it either way. It's not that I beleive them, it's just that I would think they wouldn't say anything at all rather then create a situation where they get caught lying publicly again. That gave it a little credit in my mind, but I guess I gave them too much credit. lol

It's probably just Calvin and the boys thinking this will further piss off the reg's and drive them away and not the recreational players. I kind of want them to get their wish because what they don't realize is there is no such thing as a fish or a pro. It's all relative and even if all the grinders left the better of the fish will become the new pro's and take all the players money that are worse than them.

That's actually a really good way to turn a casino or sports betting player into a professional poker player, lol. I know if I suddenly found a game I never lose in, I'd not go back to the one I struggle in. Actually, that's why I don't play house games myself.

Its always been like that people using tracking software had a huge edge over people who dont use it
and this is exactly what bodog is trying to do something about in a way i think shocked people as they never expected the site to only offer anonymous tables

bodog have now said they fixed the issue which was not such a big deal after all
and i find it refreshing with the new anonymous tables

I am also sure that you can hire some programmer to help you break the TOS and its always been like that and always will be

iknowiamnew,

I, and many others do not use HUDS or any third party software outside of the client. This was the wrong way to fix that problem. Plain and simple.

I'm talking to you like you work there, by the way, and actually I hope you do so you can realize how this isn't about HUDS and tracking software. It's also a bit disingenuous to claim that's what this is about because reading through many articles posted on Calvin's site the other night, they are after winning players, and they have this whole philosophy. It has nothing to do with HUDS and even if it did, then get rid of the God dammed HUDS, see who cares.

I just don't see how they can be so stupid as to think there will be no winners in poker. It doesn't matter what the competition is. The better players will win and guess what, a player that can't beat a certain player will be able to beat a different player and so on.

The only way your model works is if you are planning on (or are already actively) employing bots and maybe even superusers to fleece your players or raising your rake to 3x or more the standard and fleecing them that way.

Well said sir. Well said.

I've never used a HUD and couldn't care less about them. I don't care if they are banned. This has nothing to do with HUDS.

This dude just doesn't understand the basic concepts and doesn't understand how horribly Bodog has treated loyal paying customers. No business should ever treat customers the way Bodog has.

Long time lurker, first time poster. I've been with Bodog for a very long time and this is quite possibly the end. It's been incredible to see the firestorm that this new update and subsequent revealing of un-anonymous tables has caused here on 2+2. I just HAD to set up an account so I could give my two cents. Kyleb, you did a great job with your video. Bodog's response, or lack thereof, is just simply amazing. Their response on Calvin Ayre's website and his comment about this being 'really funny' are ridiculous!! Bodog is in for quite a battle in which I see no scenario where they could possibly come out on top, regardless of whatever spin they may try and put on it.