I was temp banned for posting In the wrong place. Which is a scream if u ask me.
Also u don't care cu no change will come of it? Then don't vote for anything then, cuz nothing changes. Companies do what they want, politicians do what they want. Uses less to vote cuz u assume nothing will change. Nice sheep mentality/ let the corporations decide and u follow/ gl sir

Lol that's such a fallacious argument. Some votes not mattering doesn't mean all votes don't matter.

Maybe live casinos should start following the Blowdog model and making everyone play with blinders on. What about three hole cards, blinders, and you have to drink a beer every ten minutes? That model might work well.

Maybe live casinos should allow their best regs to play at as many tables as they want, all at the same time. Then the regs could take the easy money by 6pm and go home, since there is no money in playing the other best regs. The casino employees could go home early too, everyone would love it!

Exactly. And if live casinos could somehow even the game the would also do it. Not for the benefit of the players but for their profit. I think u guys are getting it.

Not good

This is all against the spirit of what bovada is trying to do? Why would u guys come here and use these tools? Inst this the type of thing u guys wanted to get rid of for the grinders?

Seriously, just go away. You clearly just don't get it (or you are trolling us, but I think its the former) and it's annoying to read your posts on a daily basis saying the same things.

Your right I don't get it. Anonymous tables are so good but u guys are trying to create the exact same thing as pokerstars. Regs grinding rec players/ exactly the stuff u say make pokerstars bad and bovada good.

I don't think you guys realize how many people absolutely refuse to play on Bovada because of their structure.

Again, you have to realize that "anonymous poker" is a radical departure from the way poker has ever been played before anywhere else. It will also never be played this way again.

It's pretty asinine in all reality and there's no wonder that all of the terribads play on Bovada.

You are one funny dude

Anonymous poker isn't exploding, but several other sites offer it, something like 5 or so sites thus far.

Yes but all I am saying is if all the players don't like it let do something about it. Who cares about the few minority who do like it. I think at it's core most people would agree that it's not really poker if u don't know who u are playing against. They just somehow don't like to rock the boat. There is no way long term anon poker is good for poker. Maybe in short term it will do ok, but long term I think it ends the poker game. I mean u can't even chat to players u play a lot cuz u do to know who they are. No social aspect to the game, which is what rec players enjoy most.

No, I'm going to go with "winning money" as #1.

I am sure. But if u think u can Imprive your game playing it u will be left behind at some point. So again short term u may do ok, long term it's gonna kill off Even more players then now.

I wasn't aware of any other sites offering it but that doesn't mean anything...I wouldn't know. How are those sites doing? Are they keeping their head above water with that model?

All I know is that reads, tells, and history are a HUGE part of each and every hand in a poker game...especially cash games...and when playing on Bovada these aspects of the game are removed entirely. It's literally not the same game. As said, of course the super casual rec player likes it - He can hide.

Since no one else has replied to my deposit questions I will go ahead and chime in on the Anon vs Non-Anon debate that sprung up.

To me, Bovada sounds like Vegas... you don't know any of the other players at low-mid stakes games and you don't have any info on their playing tendancies until you've been at the table for a while. Also, there are a lot of soft casual players at the lower stakes here which means easy money.

Non-anonymous sites are like my local casino or card room... I know who the regulars are, and of those who are the soft/tough spots and playing tendancies, based on HUD/stats and just recognizing notes I've taken on them in the past. Outside of the peak hours for drunks and reckless gamblers (Fri/Sat nights), IMO there isn't as much money to be made compared to the softer Vegas.

For me, I'd choose Vegas. I don't mind taking the time to learn the tendancies of the players at my table because, in my humble opinion, I feel like I do a better job of reading them than they do themselves (if they even do more than just playing the 2 cards in front of them). To me that makes the game more interesting and more profitable. IMO it's a truer and more challenging form of poker than playing with a HUD.

I like the concept that Bovada has. Now, talk to me in a few months after I've been playing and we'll see what I think then...

I am not about to listen to anything someone from North Korea has to say.

Seriously though - Good post and fair points. The thing is, in a nutshell, that the guy who you play on Tuesday night in Vegas can't come back into the same card room on Friday night incognito and anonymously. Anyone who was there on Tuesday night is going to remember him and how he played hands.

Additionally, I can assure you that playing on a network with no HUDs is not more challenging than playing on one where virtually most of the players are using them. Think about what you're saying there. It makes reading my hands harder for villain BECAUSE he has a HUD with detailed stats on me running? I think not. Go play a few nights over on WPN even at 5nl and see what the games are like. It's a totally different animal when you're up against grinders who use HUDs and actually know how to read them.

I started learning the game from square one on WPN with no HUD. Let me assure you that it was one extremely frustrating experience for numerous months. At this point now I'm happy I went through it though because it made me get much better, really fast but doing it all over again I would either play on WPN with a HUD from day one or play on a rec network where almost nobody has one running. Casuals w/ no HUD on a grinder network is just asking for misery.

You WILL and you will LIKE IT!

haha jk ... Yayyy dictatorships!!!

I guess what I was trying to say about Vegas was that the turnover of players (mostly tourists in town for 3-5 days) is so high that you're very likely to not play with a single person you've played with before (if you're visiting for a week or are a regular who plays at a wide variety of casinos and not just 1-2 rooms).

I'm just looking forward to playing on Bovada because, and maybe I'm naive here, I think everyone is on equal footing when it comes to *not* having HUDs and my (average, give or take) skills are just enough to beat out my opponents at the lower stakes. I'm not trying to make a living on Bovada, just hopefully grind out a few checks here and there in my spare time. Maybe score a nice result in a large MTT.

Well, that's also a fair point. Still though, if someone DOES come back into the casino ...they're not going to be following "Bovada's model". No matter how good their sunglasses and mustache look, I'm going to know it's them obviously.

I like that fact that there is no HUD. I think they should be banned. Notes are fine and u need to use your brain so that part I like. The Vegas comparison is good although in bovada there will obv be people coming back daily or weekly compared to Vegas where u may never see them again. I go to atlantic city for a wee each year and 1 year later I remember faces and how people play. So if I see them following year I can play accordingly.

As far as the equal footing thing. Not sure winning players like being in equal footing/ equal players like the edge they got why would they want it to go back to equal?

Wait...so why do you want non-anonymous tables again? Making tables non-anonymous means there are going to be a lot more HUD use. That was one of the primary reasons they switched to anonymous tables in the first place.

Listen, I'm not a MOD so this is just purely my opinion. If you really want to have a week/month/year/decade long drawn out debate on the merits of anonymous poker vs screen name poker then start a thread about it.

This is a thread about Bovada, and many people use this as an important tool to stay in touch with what is happening (disconnects, software issues, depositing, etc). The occasional comment about the rec model is fine, but IMO this isn't a place to have a massive meta discussion about the poker economy in general and what you each think is good/bad for poker.

Just like the Mod's wouldn't let a rig-tard discussion go on this long, I don't see why this is allowed. Obviously no one should be banned, but it would be nice if we could just agree to disagree and move on for all the reasons Bobo and Ice have said (mainly because it literally serves no purpose as there is effectively 0% chance they are going back to screen names). So just accept it or play somewhere else.

Since he thinks that a poll will change the minds at Bovada for some reason, why don't we take a poll and show him how many want him to shut the hell up.....

jungmit fails to get it lmao.