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Yeah good luck man. You're doing a terrible job making your point. And very few people on here are going to see it your way. The anon tables are the best thing Bovada has done for online poker. AINEC. I played live 5/10+ pretty much for a living for years and haven't played live since the WSOP because, well its obvious, Bovada is amazing.

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03-28-2015 , 01:51 PM

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Ice_W0lf

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Originally Posted by jungmit

Lol. Great if u are a losing player and u lose slower due to no screen names, then yeah it's great. In live casinos we should all be made to wear a mask so u can't see a face and keep notes on a player for the next time u playthem. Take the whole people element out of the game and just the cards u are dealt. Sounds great. Poker a people game played with cards unless u play at bovada turn it's a card game played with cards.

They don't even give u guys rakeback.

And yet.. despite only being offered in like 4 countries.. they are the 3rd biggest network in the world according to pokerscout and about as big as the next 5 biggest US networks combined.

Anonymous poker isn't for everyone, and that's perfectly fine as there are several other good options for people that prefer sn's, but Bovada seems to be doing just fine with their business model.

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03-28-2015 , 01:54 PM

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It's amazing to u cuz u obv don't play the player. I am sure if u just play your cards, raise the button 70% of the time u will do fine. U will just make was money then if u were to actually play poker vs a certain opponent based on info. If u like that then fine/ I am just saying I don't think it's poker. Would u play chess vs an unknown person? Checkers? Backgammon?

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03-28-2015 , 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale

Anonymous tables are amazing AINEC! All the way up to 10/20. Ive played almost 200k hands in the last 6 months and I love these tables. Its like playing live poker on the internet. If you don't like it don't play here. Go play on WPN or Carbon and datamine on players so that when you sit down you have an unfair advantage and even though you've never played a hand with some players you may have 10,000 or more hands in your database on that person. Yeah that sounds like poker at its finest.

Oh and FWIW some of the best players in the country do play on Bovada so...

+1000

I have played 5mill hands + on stars (non anon) and i can tell you hands down that i would much prefer anon tables. People complaining havn't taken the time to just make the adjustment. There are plenty of US sites where you can turn into a robot and 24 table.

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03-28-2015 , 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RU18LOL

I agree. Huds should be banned. But u should still be able to use your memory vs a opponent u played in the past.

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03-28-2015 , 02:03 PM

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Yup you're right. I don't play the player. I just crush it because I raise 70% of buttons and I only play my 2 cards. Man how did you know it was so easy to print money. If this were the case every one who played on Bovada would crush the game.

And yes I would play chess or checkers with unknown opponents. Who cares about those games. Thats like comparing apples to oranges.

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03-28-2015 , 02:07 PM

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So u think if u told a loser he needs to raise 70% of this button and we wold be a winner he would magically start doing this? Hold em info is sold old and I still see people open limp. Obv a mistake right? Why do I see it? This is an fish are fish. U could tell them to raise the button 70% of the time but try still won't do it. So u crush (2bb/100....hardly crushing) cuz u know she a fish limps he has a certain range of cards. Play the population. It's not hard

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03-28-2015 , 02:09 PM

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What happens when I go to the Rio and sit down at a 5/10 game during the WSOP? Should I complain because I have never played with my opponents? Uh oh? What do we do about that? You start developing reads from the second you sit down. Based on bet sizings and you're past experience with other players. You use these reads developed from the all the info that is given to you to make future decisions. Poker is a game of lack of information and filling in the holes yourself based no experience.

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03-28-2015 , 02:10 PM

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Lol at 2bb/100. Im not going to discuss win rates on a public forum, but its hilarious you think thats what winners are making on Bovada.

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03-28-2015 , 02:23 PM

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Lol at 2bb/100. Im not going to discuss win rates on a public forum, but its hilarious you think thats what winners are making on Bovada.

So if they are making more then that then the anon model dirs not work better for rec players does it? The rec players would actually be losing more. Seems like this would be against what they are trying to accomplish.

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03-28-2015 , 02:33 PM

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I'm not sure why you'd want to argue this point so much when there are plenty of options out there for a player like yourself. Good luck getting Bovada to change their business model because you don't think its "real poker". Whatever they're doing is clearly working for them. And good luck finding people to agree with you. Anyways have a good one I'm done.

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03-28-2015 , 02:41 PM

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That is the problem there are not many options out there for me. There are very few trustworthy sites in USA.

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03-28-2015 , 02:41 PM

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If winrates are higher, that's better for every single player on the site. There is no model of poker that will make a losing player into a winning player. If you can't understand why just try thinking about it, it's pretty obvious.

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03-28-2015 , 03:16 PM

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I understand, but there are plenty of models that will allow losers to lose less. U think that is fair? Letting a game played between people be determined for win rates based on some model u created to try to control results? Does not seem fair to me

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03-28-2015 , 03:26 PM

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Then don't ****ing play on Bovada.

It seems like every 6 months, someone just like you comes into the thread. It's perfectly fine that you don't like their business model. If that is the case, don't support it and go support one of the other models that you do support. But to spend time trying to convince people that do enjoy Bovada, or to convince Bovada to move away from a model that has been successful for them, is ridiculous.

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03-28-2015 , 03:54 PM

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Lol

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03-28-2015 , 04:09 PM

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A poll is pointless, for the reasons Bobo stated.

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03-28-2015 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jungmit

Well I was trying to take a poll to see who liked it or not. U guys are so touchy. Let's take a poll to see the results

People are touchy because some people are making a living on these anon tables. And your trying to rally up a change

For people who make a living or enjoy non-anon tables well you have both options in the US. For those who don't, well we ONLY have bovada for anon. See what i'm saying?

Plus your missing the bigger picture. Their business model including sports, casino and the anon factor are vital reasons why the site is so fishy and poker is thriving there.

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03-28-2015 , 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jungmit

What are those reasons?

The major reason- Either way, it will literally change nothing.

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03-28-2015 , 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jungmit

What are those reasons? Nothing is pointless. Something can always come out of gathering more info.
Let's try it. Let's just see the results

Re-read his post 25,274. Also, think about it logically.

Despite the uproar of 2+2, they still continued with their anonymous structure and it has a 4 table Max. Why else do you think they would cap the number of tables ?
Making it as unfriendly to grinders as possible. So a poll is pointless.

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03-28-2015 , 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jungmit

Well I was trying to take a poll to see who liked it or not. U guys are so touchy. Let's take a poll to see the results

Results of poll = Bovada is now the 3rd largest site in the world. Formerly it wasn't even in the top 10.

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03-28-2015 , 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Malefiicus

Results of poll = Bovada is now the 3rd largest site in the world. Formerly it wasn't even in the top 10.

Yes because they pay out fast. Take the fast payout away and it is not even close. The other USA sites struggle to get money to us fast. And they charge much higher fees

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03-28-2015 , 05:16 PM

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Yes I get this. Why don't we do something to make it friendly for grinders? I think u guys are missing the point. People made a living in poker pre-cardrunners. Do I all feel now that cardrunners was a good idea cuz the card runners guys made a living off our subscriptions? No matter what game I spread somekne is gonna be a winner. Does that mean we should leave all as is? People make a living on every site. Who cares?

All I am saying is if 900,000 people want screen names and 100,000 don't maybe they need to think real hard about goin back. Obv the can do anything they want. But if consumers demand something it would be wise to listen

well thankfully for the 900k they have ACR and carbon who payout just as fast.

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03-28-2015 , 05:17 PM

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Yes because they pay out fast. Take the fast payout away and it is not even close. The other USA sites struggle to get money to us fast. And they charge much higher fees

ACR has the fastest cashout in the market with bitcoin.

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03-28-2015 , 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RU18LOL

ACR has the fastest cashout in the market with bitcoin.

ACR and BCP (WPN) is definitely the best network for grinders right now but the competition is definitely more reg infested over there. I play on WPN and BetOnline right now and it's night and day. 6nl and 10nl on BetOnline are softer than 2nl on WPN. Truth.

I can't play on Blowvada because I'm in NY state but it's hard to imagine the competition being much softer here than on BetOnline or FullFlush.

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