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11-04-2015 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Matthew
Awesemo - I meant new player acquisitions

Matthew
Why you don't answer to the people that post questions, only the ones that are convinient to you? Are you making fun of us again? Show some respect man, address other questions.
It amazes me how you still have the gut to go here, read 10 comments and answer only the one that no one cares.

Show the plan, show the strategy.. But don't expect to sneak in the thread and then leave and thinking no one notice and won't say nothing.
MAN UP
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11-04-2015 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
Some of the primary changes include:

The $1M Supernova Quarterly freeroll will be removed.


Why Amaya will remove this tournament, is this tournament hurting the ecosystem ?

I would appreciate an answer for this Matthew, thanks.
+1

we should just quote all the questions that matthew has dodged
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11-04-2015 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by anguila
So, having to hear them and their PR talk put the blame on the players that through hard work have managed to, first of all put them in the place they are, and secondly inspired a large number of people to come and play poker is absolutely disgraceful.
Pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole disaster stunt.

But everyone that is attacking Matthew directly, what exactly are you hoping to achieve? This is not a Q&A thread, this is an Amaya statement and personal attacks on him is just foul.
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11-04-2015 , 04:53 PM
Before Amaya bought Stars, I had a session where my internet went out, I was in roughly $1,500 worth on SNGs. By the time it came back on, I was blinded out of all my games.

I had heard of loyal regs having some of their money refunded when stuff like that happened in the past. Even though it seemingly made zero sense to me, and I figured there was no way in hell they would do anything, I shot them an email and asked if there was anything they could do.

The response I got back was pretty incredible. It was obvious typed out by a real person. It said something along the lines of "We understand that internet outages while multi tabling is one of the most frustrating things that can happen to a poker player! Since you've been a supernova and loyal customer of ours for X amount of time, I am going to refund all your games, as a one time favor. Good luck at the tables."

And every cent was refunded to my account. I was legitimately in shock. Made me want to grind that much more, not only for myself, but I looked at it like I was helping stars business too. Like we had each others backs in a way.
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11-04-2015 , 04:58 PM
For every 1.000$ winning player cash out, losing players have to deposit who knows, maybe 2.000$. After last ipoker rakeback changes I got this for the first time: If I play on xy poker site and never deposit, only cash out, then I must be a problem for them. Before that moment I thought more like: I make this amount of rake every month, so they must be happy to have such a loyal customer.

Sure, there could be a problem with players playing 20+ tables and other players have to wait for them and that make playing poker less attractive, but real problem is: this player playing 20+ tables never deposit money.

I was wondering if last announced changes are just a play, you know, to check out what Amaya can get away with, so they will take some of this changes back. But I am afraid that this is not the case. They just want winning regs gone (that could be a reason to be so rude). After this changes winning regs have 2 options: continue to play and just give Amaya more money, or leave and Amaya gets what they intended. And I have to ask myself: what other poker site will be happy to get 50 new winning regs on their network. I guess none! This could be a real problem here.

With all that said, I think there are reasons to have good winning players on your site, but more for promotional purposes. Regs fill tables, sngs and tourneys and I am not sure that Amaya realize how much can that hit poker ecosystem. I will be happy not to play on Amayastars for few days or weeks, just to remind them how things can turn. And hope there is anybody in Amaya management who will give a **** about that.
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11-04-2015 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
Some of the primary changes include:

The $1M Supernova Quarterly freeroll will be removed.


Why Amaya will remove this tournament, is this tournament hurting the ecosystem ?

I would appreciate an answer for this Matthew, thanks.
Really not so hard to tell why they removed a 1milly freerole which playerpool consisted of 95% professionals... can we ask him some non-rhetorical q's?
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11-04-2015 , 05:05 PM
I don't otherwise really care about this since I think it is long overdue, but I think there are 2 things that are quite "unfair":

-FPP conversion rate of 1.2
-No points for 5/10 and up.
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11-04-2015 , 05:15 PM
pure greed by pokerstars....

it doesnt hurt me much, but it sucks for the high rake bros
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11-04-2015 , 05:25 PM
Some action plan?
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11-04-2015 , 05:33 PM
The best route to global poker expansion is through diversity. If all sites offer exactly the same product that appeals to some and not others then the industry will falter. A site that lays out its vision for the future shouldn't be criticised for openly presenting its business plan. Those wishing to protest change have suggested a boycott which at best is very problematic. A far better approach would be for members to all agree to visit a chosen site on a particular day. This would enable that site to present its own vision, highlight the differences and allow the customers to choose. A demonstrable increase in business even for one day would be a huge incentive for a site to accommodate player requirements on a more permanent basis.
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11-04-2015 , 05:39 PM
its pretty funny and insulting that matthew is only replying to posts which makes it look good for amaya and just ignoring legit questions which 100% need answering. And to do it so blatantly obvious is pretty disgusting.

Even if it was a "all these will be answered soon, we are creating a long post to get all information out asap" is better than just ignoring everyone
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11-04-2015 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Burnss
its pretty funny and insulting that matthew is only replying to posts which makes it look good for amaya and just ignoring legit questions which 100% need answering. And to do it so blatantly obvious is pretty disgusting.

Even if it was a "all these will be answered soon, we are creating a long post to get all information out asap" is better than just ignoring everyone
You would have thought that they would have realised these changes were going to cause massive uproar. Thus, firstly had lots reps to "explain" their decisions and also to have properly informed all their team pros etc.

Negreanu for instance appears to have been caught unaware of the full extent of what was being implemented and starting banging on about HUD bans (which hasn't even been confirmed, in fact it may not even be true) and didn't seem to understand the VIP changes.

These changes weren't a bit of a tweak of SNE / SN scheme etc, it is a massive realignment of the business. It is just another example of how poorly Stars is being managed these days.
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11-04-2015 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by anguila
I have been debating whether to post or not, and following Ansky’s advice I believe it’s something I should do.
Firstly, the disclaimer: I’m a 6-time SNE with 8M+ vpps.
How have I accrued such a big number of vpps? Well, playing SNGs. The last 2 years mostly hypers, both cash and satellites.
Have I made money pre-rakeback? No. Does that matter? No. Because the problem is that the games are raked way too high, no one can beat them pre-rakeback. And that’s where rakeback comes into the equation making the EFFECTIVE RAKE, which is the one that matters, lower. And therefore making the games beatable.
I can only speak of what I know best SNGs, but something similar to this may happen to other formats:
If rake stays the same in HS hypers, where the average reg WR is -0.5% and you take away SNE, most likely thing to happen is that games will die out over the not too distant future: as the average reg will go from winning 70k post-rakeback to breaking even post-rakeback.
Now I understand that it’s unfair for the best players to be actually the ones able to beat the games because they have SNE, while the others don’t. Along with the fact that deposits are slowing down, I am absolutely IN FAVOUR of remodeling the VIP system, but it needs to be done ALONGSIDE a rake reduction of some sort! (maybe also some “loseback” to recs or whatever)
I don’t want to dwell too much on the timing of the change. I think that has been covered already, they have absolutely no excuse to have brought the information forward in November, and ONLY because it was leaked by some own mistake, when we know that SNE is a 2 year program.
Poker is a game played with people so it gives you the opportunity to be successful if you are better than the rest. And the dream I had when I started playing was to move up and be able to become a professional. That dream comes from watching people play the highest stakes and believing that one day you may get there if you work hard enough on your game. If there are no high stakes, there is no dream.
And now people will say that then all you have to do is play the Spins and win in them. Which as of TODAY is possible, but if all formats of SNGs are dead, does anybody think that a 3-max hyper with no table selection and 5%+ rake is beatable when the SNG regs move down to Spins?
So poker as we know it would change into a different thing, one where the dream is to bink a 1M Spin and Go.
Now, maybe poker is dead and that’s just how it goes, but the real thing here is that Pokerstars was acquired by AMAYA who paid 5Bn. This company had no means to buy the company, but managed to incur in a gigantic debt that they now have to pay back. This means they are paying around 180M in interest only every year and paying back 500M/yr of the original debt. And this has to continue for the next few years.
So basically where I’m getting at is that even though it’s true that the ecosystem is changing and deposits to play POKER are not coming in as fast, AMAYA is still profiting even after taking out of the poker economy these massive amounts of money. So, having to hear them and their PR talk put the blame on the players that through hard work have managed to, first of all put them in the place they are, and secondly inspired a large number of people to come and play poker is absolutely disgraceful. I don’t know the exact figure that regs are taking from the game, but it pales in comparison with what they are taking.
I was always a huge Pokerstars fan boy, as some people like to say despectively, but we are obviously dealing with a different company altogether. I refuse to call them Stars anymore, they are Amaya and they are in the business of changing poker as we know it into a something different, where the expected money flow is not shared between the best players and the site, but just everything for the site. The word “house-games” sounds familiar?
Sorry for the long post, but for those of us who have devoted so many years to playing a game that we loved, I don’t think staying quiet while they kill it with their decisions is an option.
Cheers,
Javier
Great post
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11-04-2015 , 06:25 PM
What about MTT's? Will they still be beatable under the new system?
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11-04-2015 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BQB
Was looking forward to go for Supernova Elite next year by playing 6-max Hyper Turbo 60/100+ stakes. That obviously won't happen anymore. 90% of the regs have around -1%ROI or slightly below at 60+ stakes. This means playing 60+ will not be profitable and those games won't run anymore in 2017.

When new players come and are looking around through Pokerstars they will try to have a look at the highest games. In Hyper Turbo 6-max its 1k buyin that's highest. When the new players see there are people playing 1k buyins they will think there is a ton of money in these games. They will hope that some day they will also have the opportunity to earn some decent money. They will deposit and play. One of the charming points of poker is that you can make a lot of money.

The 60$+ regulars will probably move down to 15/30 stakes. Now the new players will see that the highest Hyper Turbo 6-max game is 30$ buy in...? Maybe a few 60$. That will not seem impressive at all. What's the point in playing if there isn't a potentially higher goal. Those new players will probably at best only deposit once and then leave and never come back. Hyper Turbo 6-max will be destroyed. Hyper Turbo Satellites will be completely annihilated.

I guess your goal is to destroy these games so that the recreational players will play Spin and Go's? There is a ton of recreational players who won't like the spin and go format. Pokerstars is awesome because it offers a lot of different games. If you take that away then a lot of the recreational players won't stick around.

Some people say high volume players are destroying the games because of time bank. If that is such a huge issue then why not just cap the table limit to 16 or less.
recs will play spins thats the goal.... its a huge assumption to say some recs wont play spins...
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11-04-2015 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mullion
Im curious to know which section of players pay the most rake in total, over a period of say one month.

$0.05/$0.10 and below or $5/$10 and higher?
Given that the spread is not huge in terms of capped rake compared to the difference between the stake, plus the fact that lowest stake have more tables running, $0.05/$0.10 will pay the most rake. I could be wrong here.
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11-04-2015 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LoctoBong
What about MTT's? Will they still be beatable under the new system?
MTT's are probably the least directly affected by these changes.

I would presume the biggest concern if you an MTT grinder is that the pros from other games like SnG's will switch over and make the player pool harder.
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11-04-2015 , 06:59 PM
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11-04-2015 , 07:20 PM
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is he still licking their asses?
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11-04-2015 , 07:26 PM
I say we all go on strike effective Jan 1st IF AMAYA goes through with this.

What some ******s arent understanding is that this doesnt just effect the top of the chain this ****ing effects EVERYONE they are literally taking away tons of $ off the tables.


STRIKEEEEE CITY LETS DO IT GUYS id be so down starting january 1st 2016.
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11-04-2015 , 07:32 PM
What has been the publicly stated reactions of Pokerstars sponsored players (Team online members etc)?

Is it expected that PS will sack a whole bunch of grinder type pros and continue to recruit celebrity sponsored players eg soccer players?
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11-04-2015 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TimTamBiscuit
What has been the publicly stated reactions of Pokerstars sponsored players (Team online members etc)?

Is it expected that PS will sack a whole bunch of grinder type pros and continue to recruit celebrity sponsored players eg soccer players?
Basically nothing. I would presume they have been asked not to say too much without clearing it with Stars.

The only person I have seen engaging extensively about it is JamieStaples, and he says he is ok with the changes, although he thinks it will reduce the number of pros by a percentage.
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11-04-2015 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Xela
Great post
+1
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11-04-2015 , 07:42 PM
another good business destroyed, oh well
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