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Why is Phil Ivey so great? Why is Phil Ivey so great?

04-04-2010 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
he plays every form of poker, hes good in tournaments and cash games as well... and yeh the reason for that is his ability to read opponents and the fact he controls his emotions and isnt afraid to play a big pot/lose a big pot
Easy not to be afraid of big pots when you have the biggest roll in poker
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04-04-2010 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PhinsAce3
Because a few people thought he looked cool a few years back, he won a couple things, those people started hyping him up and it just took off from there. Now everyone just wants to agree that Ivey is this unstoppable great player and declare him the best based off that.

I think it may have something to do with those two old people who sweat him everywhere for reasons unknown to a sane person. Those people should really think about getting into baseball or wrestling or something. That and the ridiculous stare he gives from time to time could be a factor as well. As if he cant see just as well without making like a starving goldfish.

In all seriousness though, its because he is a clean cut, nice looking, black guy that plays the game as well as most great players. Dont act like you dont know that isnt the reason he gets so much credibility. People who market the game arent stupid.
WOW your brain is really good at stuff
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04-04-2010 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffLee
Easy not to be afraid of big pots when you have the biggest roll in poker
Phil Hellmuth says hi.
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04-04-2010 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkFloyd510
Phil Hellmuth says hi.
Phil Ivey says "Hello, there's a difference between net worth and bank roll used for poker".

Also, Phil H might have made more from tournie winnings but he doesn't win anything in cash games. Who know's how much Ivey has made from cash on top of his tournie wins.
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04-04-2010 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkFloyd510
Phil Hellmuth says hi.
Chris Ferguson says hi
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04-04-2010 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lookitdisnub
Chris Ferguson says hi
lol ^^^ see above argument.
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04-04-2010 , 03:20 PM
But, how much did he lose?
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04-05-2010 , 05:20 PM
James Bond is way better than Ivey
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04-05-2010 , 07:20 PM
he also went all in with 5-2 knowing the guy didnt have that big of a hand to call.. his instincts are the best
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04-05-2010 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
he also went all in with 5-2 knowing the guy didnt have that big of a hand to call.. his instincts are the best
This. Its one thing to figure a guy's playing you because you're playing somebody else, its another thing to shove it all in with full confidence with almost no prospects of winning the hand if he calls. Sick play.
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04-05-2010 , 08:25 PM
He's obv a superuser
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04-05-2010 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
No doubt he's talented, but he's no Stu Ungar in terms of raw brain power. Just incredibly dedicated and hardworking.
In a thread full of dumb comments this may very well be the dumbest. Well done sir, well done.
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04-05-2010 , 11:10 PM
His obsession with people looking at his hole cards is what makes him the best
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04-06-2010 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Thrahl
In a thread full of dumb comments this may very well be the dumbest. Well done sir, well done.
You're going to have to expand on that.

Stu Ungar, by the account of every pro who knew him, was a complete genius with a photoraphic memory who could count down a bunch of card decks and tell you the last two from memory.

Doyle mentions how 2 weeks only after starting to play NLHE, he was playing with him, Chip Reese and all the top pros back then and had already picked up on the most advanced plays they were making.
After the same first two weeks, he won his first WSOP main event title.

Like I said, Ivey is obviously incredibly talented, I love the guy, think he's probably the best all-around and certainly best live player in the world nowadays, but he says himself he spent years playing 16 to 18 hours a day (!) to get there.

So talent + extreme dedication + highest competitive drive possible = amazing player, does not equal genius IQ + photographic memory who beats the best in the world in 2 weeks.
Doesn't mean Ungar would necessarily crush Ivey, we're just talking natural brain power here.

That's all I was saying, sorry if you don't know how to read and felt offended because you're a hardworking ******.
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04-06-2010 , 01:48 AM
because he is the best ever, he is the most brutal and most ruthless champion there has ever been, theres no one can stop him .. he is Alexander ,he is the best ever.. theres never been anyone as ruthless, ......he's Sonny Liston ,hes Jack Dempsey hes from their cloth,there is no one that can match him...his style is impetuous,his defense is impregnable, hes just ferocious ,he wants your heart, he wants to eat your children ...Praise be to ALLAH....
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04-06-2010 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
That's all I was saying, sorry if you don't know how to read and felt offended because you're a hardworking ******.
really good post until you revealed yourself to be just another troll responding yet another troll
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04-06-2010 , 04:50 AM
Mr Ivey can be majestic...............


Long Live The King
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04-07-2010 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffLee
Also, Phil H might have made more from tournie winnings but he doesn't win anything in cash games. Who know's how much Ivey has made from cash on top of his tournie wins.
But Hellmuth is a family man who doesn't gamble away millions on craps or baccarat, while Ivey's wife might have left him because he wasted almost all of his millions.
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04-07-2010 , 12:02 PM
He's playing poker half his life, putting in a crazy amount of hours. He lives, eats, breaths and dreams about poker.
There's no magical thing that makes him great. He might have a good natural ability, but his major strenght comes from his hard work.
I believe if he had commited himself to something different with the same devotion, he'd be just as succesful as he is now in poker.
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04-07-2010 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkFloyd510
This. Its one thing to figure a guy's playing you because you're playing somebody else, its another thing to shove it all in with full confidence with almost no prospects of winning the hand if he calls. Sick play.
I think this just shows how much of a degen Ivey is...

sure he picked up on Lex 3-4bet frenzy, but at same time 5betting there was more like a huge **** gamble... HE would have looked like such a moron if Lex had QQ+.

Same goes for dwan, I saw dwan shove 97o I believe preflop in HU online and got called... HE looked like a total idiot.
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04-07-2010 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jmrd27
I think this just shows how much of a degen Ivey is...

sure he picked up on Lex 3-4bet frenzy, but at same time 5betting there was more like a huge **** gamble... HE would have looked like such a moron if Lex had QQ+.

Same goes for dwan, I saw dwan shove 97o I believe preflop in HU online and got called... HE looked like a total idiot.
Phil knew Lex was weak. He would've never shoved that hand online, it was a live read and I'm sure he was very confident about his read and the fact that Lex didn't have QQ or any hand he could call with.

If you don't believe in these things, you'd better believe that someone as observant and focused as Ivey is going to pick up some things about players's body languages after spending years playing 18 hours a day of live poker.
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04-07-2010 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RNauta
But Hellmuth is a family man who doesn't gamble away millions on craps or baccarat, while Ivey's wife might have left him because he wasted almost all of his millions.
[ ] Ivey is broke
[ ] Hellmuth has more money than Ivey
[x] Ivey's wife is a whore

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Originally Posted by jmrd27
I think this just shows how much of a degen Ivey is...

sure he picked up on Lex 3-4bet frenzy, but at same time 5betting there was more like a huge **** gamble... HE would have looked like such a moron if Lex had QQ+.

Same goes for dwan, I saw dwan shove 97o I believe preflop in HU online and got called... HE looked like a total idiot.
Shoving with aces is a gamble, its called poker. He made the play because he felt it was correct, not because he enjoys spazzing his money away.
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04-07-2010 , 07:03 PM
He is just really competitive and probably puts in more hours than most other high stakes players. Negreanu it appears used to be a much better player but it is obvious he does not play as much as he used to and I guess you have to constantly be on your best game to beat the best players in the world.

I agree with the other posters that Ivey has certain qualites that put him at the highest level. His poker instincts are probably second to none. I think this explains why he makes certain plays at certain times. He has a feel for when he should pull the trigger and back off. I think intuition and instincts can carry you through any game so maybe this is why he won the 2-7 bracelet without much experience in that particular game.
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04-08-2010 , 05:43 AM
This is why he is so great, considering what is at stake/how unlucky he got, from FT bust out hand

his reaction to the turn card is so golden
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04-08-2010 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
You're going to have to expand on that.

Stu Ungar, by the account of every pro who knew him, was a complete genius with a photoraphic memory who could count down a bunch of card decks and tell you the last two from memory.

Doyle mentions how 2 weeks only after starting to play NLHE, he was playing with him, Chip Reese and all the top pros back then and had already picked up on the most advanced plays they were making.
After the same first two weeks, he won his first WSOP main event title.

Like I said, Ivey is obviously incredibly talented, I love the guy, think he's probably the best all-around and certainly best live player in the world nowadays, but he says himself he spent years playing 16 to 18 hours a day (!) to get there.

So talent + extreme dedication + highest competitive drive possible = amazing player, does not equal genius IQ + photographic memory who beats the best in the world in 2 weeks.
Doesn't mean Ungar would necessarily crush Ivey, we're just talking natural brain power here.

That's all I was saying, sorry if you don't know how to read and felt offended because you're a hardworking ******.
according to those same people, ungar was awful, like really terrible, in cash games. just absolutely abysmal. his strength in tournament poker was his sheer agression, and no one played that way then - like taking gus hansen of 2003 and putting him in 1980. they wouldn't know what to do when the blinds got high. but in a cash game, it wouldn't mean a lick. he would get wasted.

in other words, ungar was way ahead of his time. maybe a savant in terms of his brainpower, but i wouldn't put too much into that based purely on his success in tournament poker.
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