yet again, I'm amazed that people choose not to table their hands.

Saturday night I was playing at MGM in Las Vegas (I may provide a TR later, not sure yet).

Anyway, there was some sort of raise pre flop (I folded and didn't really pay close attention). Three people ended up seeing a flop. One of the guys was somebody who I had played with the night before at the Excalibur and he cashed out for about $600 though from what I saw he certainly didn't seem to be anything beyond average at the table.

The flop comes down with the sign of the devil. 6-6-6. I believe somebody may have made a very small bet and it was called by both remaining players. turn was an Ace. checked around. river was the case 6. the nuts were on the board. two of the players in the hand, including the guy I played with the night before, were sitting next to one another in seats 3 and 4 while the final player was in seat 7. the two neighbors commented about the nuts being on board so it was going to be chopped up. they then proceeded to muck their cards face down and the dealer promptly swept them into the much. the final player tabled his hand and the dealer pushed it to him.

the two people were perplexed about what had just happened. every other person at the table told them that you had to show your cards to win the pot. they were like "but the best hand was on the board". we all said, doesn't matter. to win the pot both cards must be shown even if you play the board. they still didn't get it.

lesson of the day......turn over your ****ing cards! what do you have to lose? could these two guys be afraid of giving away information when the stone cold nuts is on the board? it doesn't matter what you called a pre flop raise with. there was no real action after the flop so we all knew it was junk. turn em over for crying out loud!

Okay, rant over.

FYI, for all the talk I hear about how much of a fish tank MGM is, I've played there three times over the past year and a half and must be getting the worst table draws in history. Saturday night there were 4 regulars in the game and 3 other competent players. I still took $300 out of the $1/$2 game and IMHO I was once of the better players there but still, it certainly wasn't the donk fest people seem to describe it as.

Michael

there are houses in vegas, like bellagio, where if you declare board you do not have to show to have a claim. Know the house rules for whereever you are.

A couple of days ago I was dealing a $1/$2 table.

Player 1 was BB and he checked/called until the river and then he bet first which Player 2 (utg) called.

Player 1 turned over 6,3 os on a board of:

7,6,2,3,2 rb.

Player 1 announced "2 pair"

I pushed up the 6,3 and 7 on the board and looked at player 2 to show or muck.

Player 2 almost mucked three times, starting to throw his cards in but neer releasing them.

Finally he shook his head and tossed them forward, face up.

A,7 s.

I pushed up the 7 and two 2's called the two hiher pair and pushed him the pot.

Player 1 threw his hands in the air but didn;t say anything.

Player 2 jumped up and said "Wow, I never looked at the river, thank you dealer"

When in doubt, lay it out, table your hand.

To their credit, neither player reacted badly to the hand. No names, no comments, just back to playing poker.

I almost did the same the other night. I got it in after the flop with queens and villain flipped over to show open-ended plus a backdoor flush draw. As the turn and river were being dealt I was watching to dodge the cards to make his hand. Then the river came Jack to make his straight. I was thissss close to mucking face down, and then I looked at the board, then my queens, back at the board, back at the queens. Damned if there weren't 8 to Jack on the board and I had sucked out a bigger straight.

Why didn't I just table? The obvious - I'm not giving out any info that I don't have to. Has it cost me money over the years? Undoubtedly. Would it have cost me even more if I tabled ever hand? Yes, imo.

Had a bad one tonight. Player 1 says "flush" and turns over his 4-flush. Player 2 insta-mucked on hearing "flush" - claims he had a winner.
After floor called, Player 1 offers to chop the pot. Player 2 still bitches. Player 1 then says, "Forget it then. Ship me the whole thing."

Ugh.

OP, you are incorrect that you must show your hand to win everywhere. Many casinos allow you to play the board simply by declaring this, and not showing any cards.

Also, if you finish your post with a brag, it seems like the rest of your post was just so you could tell us how much you won.

Mark

whatever. not the intention but you can never please 90% of the two plus twoers.

Well into the AM last Friday the board comes AJQAQ and guy who was betting every street until the river shows TT. Dealer at FW amazingly pushes up all five cards on the board (first time I've seen a FW dealer do the right thing here). Woman who is the only other player in the hand and is kind of falling asleep a bit looks at the board and at opponents TT and mucks her hand.

Nobody at the table says anything but a guy who is watching the game and has just recently moved up to take his shot tells me to shoot him if he ever does that. I reply that I would tell him to go home and get some sleep. So why didn't I tell the woman to go home and get some sleep? Because I don't like her. Earlier she had slow rolled me twice and on a third hand she had declared that she had missed when she was first to act. Usually I would table my AK at that point but since I can't stand her I waited and she then said "well I have a little pair" and I mucked after she showed.

lol for some reason I'm looking for the king on that board there...I don't know why. I'm an online SNG donk, but when I play live I always just table my hand. I'll play 2-5 every so often, but mostly 1-2 and I doubt anyone is going to get an amazing read there. Just show it.

Especially important to table if yuve been drinkin, yu "might of" (sic) missed something

Where in the world do you deal???? Players not looking at the river, I want in on this game.

After the floor heard that Player 1 had miscalled his hand ("flush!") causing Player 2 to muck, why didn't the whole pot get shipped to Player 2 right away? No chopping necessary.

That's what I was wondering.

Robert's Rules
Showdown
2. Cards speak (cards read for themselves). The dealer assists in reading hands, but players are responsible for holding onto their cards until the winner is declared. Although verbal declarations as to the contents of a hand are not binding, deliberately miscalling a hand with the intent of causing another player to discard a winning hand is unethical and may result in forfeiture of the pot.

"Deliberately" is a key word here. The way I read the post, I thought the guy probably unintentionally misread his hand.

I had a strange hand once. I bet the river, guy calls. I say, "Good call. Jack high." and he mucks. Then he kinda startles and realizes something. I guess he thought I meant Jack high straight or Jack high flush, but...

It sucks, but you have to learn to pay attention to the board. Basic hand reading skills/Paying attention should be common and if not then you forfeit your share because of your ignorance.

It really depends on what game you're playing. If you're a tourist or visitor, or if you play in small stakes games, it probably costs you very little to show. If you're a regular in a higher stakes game, it probably costs you quite a bit in long-term winnings to show.

I think showing probably has more positives than not, but there have been instances where its a big pot vs a regular and theres mental dynamic and I just wanted to avoid showing.

The fact that you miss seeing that you have a winning hand should be sign #1 that it is time to take a break and stop playing. No one is playing their "A" game if they are doing that.

comment on the MGM: you can get huge fish there who will reload 5 times or more but theres just too many regs sitting there nittying it up waiting for the fish.. almost makes the game not worth it. I mean you can go to some place like Imperial Palace where half the table sit there with the skill level of $0.05/0.10, they arent going to reload 5+ times but its much easier there than MGM.