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What's the call on this one? What's the call on this one?

11-02-2009 , 07:35 PM
Two players on one end of the table in seats 2 and 3, open their cards. While the dealer is reading their hands (it was Omaha) one player on the other end of the table in seat 7 tables her hand as well.

The dealer has not read the hand in seat 7 yet and announces "Full house" for seat 3's hand. The lady in seat 7 does not realize that she has a full house as well and that it is higher so she turns her cards back over and attempts to muck them.

The player in seat 5 points out that she has a higher full house. Seat 7 grabs her cards back and turns them face up again.

The players at the table, especially seat 3, feel that seat 5 should have kept his mouth shut. The problem is, seat 5 points out that the hand was tabled correctly and therefore every player on the table has an ethical obligation to ensure the integrity of the game.

The floor awarded the pot to the player in seat 7.

Agree or disagree?
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11-02-2009 , 07:38 PM
All players have an obligation to assist in reading tabled hands. All was done correctly.

In the temporary absence of Al,

KICK IN THE NUTS for all who disagreed.
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11-02-2009 , 07:39 PM
Agree. Floor is correct. The hand was tabled, pot should be awarded to best tabled hand. I'm sure somebody can quote Roberts Rules.
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11-02-2009 , 07:53 PM
Cards speak. As long as another player confirms then there's absolutely no was the seat 3 will get the pot here.

However I think there's the very similar case where someone tables say a straight and the opponent attempts to muck their cards. Before they do so, an unconnected player says something like "did you have a flush?" and the player re-checks their cards and turns out she did make a flush but didn't spot it. In that case, the random guy can stfu.
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11-02-2009 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FCBLComish
All players have an obligation to assist in reading tabled hands. All was done correctly.

In the temporary absence of Al,

KICK IN THE NUTS for all who disagreed.
Thanks for covering for me. I was getting myself a beer.

al
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11-02-2009 , 08:10 PM
I have only played live Omaha (always O8) a handfull times live but I always make sure I table my cards at showdown. I also keep my hand on my cards so they dont get mucked. Tabling your hand will give you, the dealer and the rest of the table a chance to look at the hands to make sure the best hand(s) are awarded the pot. Omaha (O8 especially) can be challenging to quickly determine the winning cards. I have misread my hand on occasion and also seen dealers misread hands. Table your hand and dont muck it untill you are positive it is not the winner.
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11-02-2009 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas_Oldham
Cards speak. As long as another player confirms then there's absolutely no was the seat 3 will get the pot here.

However I think there's the very similar case where someone tables say a straight and the opponent attempts to muck their cards. Before they do so, an unconnected player says something like "did you have a flush?" and the player re-checks their cards and turns out she did make a flush but didn't spot it. In that case, the random guy can stfu.
Just to be very clear on this situation, I believe what this poster is saying is that a player read a hand that had NOT been tabled, and encouraged that other player to turn it over.

In that case, yes, the "unconnected player" has no business reading an untabled hand.

ANYONE can read a tabled hand however,including a railbird.
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11-02-2009 , 09:04 PM
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one player on the other end of the table in seat 7 tables her hand as well.
Best hand was tabled. Ship to seat 7
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11-02-2009 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by temujin555
Agree or disagree?
I subscribe to the school of thought that the best hand should win if tabled correctly and that even if you are an observer of the game, you have an obligation to call it the way it is.

I believe that this applies to any element of game outside of this issue. For example, if I see that two players that slow playing each other to the point they squeeze out a third player and decide to chop the pot, you better believe I'm getting involved with my objections whether I'm the victim or not or was in the hand or not.
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