In a room with a hard betting line the floor would never ask that. That's the point of a betting line - if it's not across the line it's not a bet.

How is the line a HARD betting line if the floor would rule as you suggest?

He also wouldn't ask because he'd already know the answer, tell him to cut the ****, and proceed to rule in favor of the angler.

Incorrect. #3 is what was described: "He was clearly going all in, I just jumped the gun on my call." He never claimed that the chips had stopped moving before his premature call, only that they had moved "a good three inches." Whether it was described correctly is, of course, another matter.

To clarify, it sounds like OP is being naive. If it takes that long to slide chips 3 inches such that they don't make it across the line before he snap-calls, that was the intention the whole time.

I thought it was #3, since the OP said the bolded part:


So I took that to mean that the OP felt like if he hadn't prematurely announced call, the villain would have in fact, gone all in. Which is why I didn't think it was a dirty move. The villain's intent all along was not to deceive, i.e. simulate a shove but not actually intending to shove, but rather to actually shove. OP just preempted it with his early call, and then blames villain for a dirty move.

It does depend on whether or not the room goes with the hard betting line rule, or, if it's any forward motion pass your cards .

Two major poker rooms right in the same town have different rules on this; at the Taj, villain would've been held to a bet, but, at the Borgata, this would've been ruled as a check because of the hard betting line rule. And, because we're never going to get the real truth from villain, it's hard to base things like this on what his intent was. Yes, he probably was going to bet but OP acted prematurely and villain therefore gets a 'Get out of jail free' card because of it.

That said, I would've asked for a Floor just in case the dealer got it wrong and/or just to make sure that he/she didn't have some vested interest in ruling in favor for villain.

I think this was way more of a rookie mistake(I've done it, too) than it was an angleshot by villain. You have to know the rules. OP didn't know about this one and unfortunately for him he suffers the consequence. That's part of the game.

V1's intentions aside, I have personally witnessed on much more than one occasion at the Borg the "forward motion" rule being upheld with both chips and cards. Now I wonder if those were the rule or the exception. I'll have to ask.

/derail

It's like the Syrian red line.

What kind of room has a hard betting line!?

I guess the next time, I'm going to stack all my damn chips in one big stack and slide it back and forth but never cross the betting line and see what people got to say about that.

If any of you got something to say then I'll just use ya'll excuse... "OH, IT NEVER CROSS THE HARD BETTING LINE..."

It doesn't matter if there's a HARD or SOFT or OLD(^^) betting line, in this situation the dealer should have called the FLOOR ASAP! Dealers shouldn't let this kind of stuff slide.

Any floor would rule in villain's favor is an idiot in my book. I don't care if it says in the rule book "hard betting line"... I understand rules are rules but not all rules are to be followed 100%. Use some common sense. If you rule in villain's favor. The next time I play there I'm going to move back and forth with my damn stack without crossing the line and see how you all like it. If you whine about it, I will use the same excuse as you all are using.. "OH..HARD BETTING LINE"...

Villain's intentions were to go ALL-IN AND/OR ANGLE OP.. Just from that OP has a case.

I'm done here.

Until it crosses the betting line, it's not a bet, but if your chip stack topples over and falls over the line, that is your bet.

Take long enough, and the clock will be called on you. (I've played in a room, where the dealer can and is supposed to call the clock on you.)

The ones with hard betting lines. And if you move your chips back and forth behind the line, no one will give a ****, because it's behind the line, and they will know that the motion is meaningless until the chips cross the line. Is it really that hard a concept to understand? I see why you may think having a hard betting line is a bad idea, but fail to understand why you think that a floor in a room with a hard betting line would make a ruling consistent with a room without a hard betting line. That doesn't make any sense to me.

When did the Borgata rules change? When I played there regularly through 2 years ago or so it didn't matter whether best crossed the line or not.

No one will whine about it. They will just hope you give up after your first try and if not they may ask the dealer/floor to tell you to quit holding up the game with such stupid antics.