As a guy who moved to Vegas, are you playing it?

And if you are, are the predictions of its ultra-tightness true? Does is rival the infamous FW 10/20 rock gardens?

I'm still confused on the logistics here.

If I am the big blind and it is a limped pot, can I:

A) check or raise; or
B) fold, complete to $15 or raise?

If you are BB you can either fold, call, or raise. And yes you can play extra ruthless and limp steal UTG. Blind limping is the new straddle?

Thank you

And I never claimed it was. My point is that sure complain that it will kill the games (I'm sure that structure will btw) and do everything you can to try to get the card room to establish a game that will last long term. However, if at the end of the day they're going to do something that gives you a substantial edge take advantage of the situation. I'm not saying do anything illegal or unethical just saying be opportunistic. It's not an either or situation. Go sit down in the game with the smaller blinds and after awhile when the action drys up a little lobby the players to get the casino to change the structure. I have no idea how willing the V is to do stuff like that but some casinos are if the players want to.

Im a lifetime winner in it plus 3bb!! and done!! i hated the blinds rather play 20 at bellagio way less nitty

I'd suppose the big question now is;
Has the new 15 structure killed the 8/16 game or made the 8/16 a better, less nitty game?

I moved to Arizona

I've played the V 8/16 about 4 times. The loosest I've seen the V would rival a typical Thursday at 5:00pm at Foxwoods.

Last month at the V I saw Asian Mark, whom you might remember from the FW 20 about 3 years ago. Looking at the nitfest we laughed, as Mark said "FW spread the best middle limit games in the cosmos."

I just walked into the room 5 minutes ago. There is no 15/30 game. There is an 8/16. Full, no list. It is somewhat late, but it is Saturday night.

I've had people at my regular Omaha 8 game express confusion as to why I was leaving when I was stuck $100. I can only assume they were smiliarly baffled when I left up $200.

Sorry about that... Hope Arizona is good to you.

Sad too about the game at the V.

I just heard from a guy at FW that the 15/30 at the V was awful. He played it a few times recently. He described it as a limpfest. Which in my mind would make it an ideal game. He said either its a chop pre-flop or 6 ways limped action. Maybe they would stop limping if somebody like me showed up and raised in LP frequently. Maybe not...

I walked through the V about 2 hours ago. There was no 8/16 game. 15/30 was full, no list.

I think this is pretty spot on. Im not at the V much, but I played a couple of times when they had a mixed game going to break the monotony and I remember 2 or 3 8/16 games games running while I was there.

I was there for the HORSE tourny and I walked through the room on break an there was 1 15 game and 0 8 games going as the person above me mentioned.

When I walked through the room before the 4pm tourny restart, I noticed there were zero limit games going above 4/8.

I think the change in structure might send people to the Bellagio for the reasons caddymatty alluded to when I would think there wouldn't be much reason for the 8/16 players to abandon the V otherwise.

Well I will be there this weekend. I will try to play a session of 15/30 and see if I can pick up on the game playing differently from a normal blinded game. And also describe how folding like 50% more steal hands preflop isn't fun.

But if everyone is limping, I wouldn't be stealing with those anyways, so that would suit me just fine.

V_TD,

I would be very concerned about this. I reported earlier in this thread about a full 15-30 game with a list and a dying 8-16.

Anecdotal evidence suggests the actions of the Venetian are seriously damaging the 8-16 game. If the 8-16 dies, the 15-30 will have no feeder and I don't expect it to endure.

I just started a thread inquiring about the 8/16-20/40 LHE action in LV...It sounds like there are some regulars in these games on this forum.

From what I can understand, these games are limited (no pun intended) but are the ones going at least good? How is the NL action?

Apparently there is now a 5/10 blind structure in a 15/30 game...Why would a card room or a poker player ever want this?? This will reduce players/pot, $/pot and rake/pot. What's the reasoning behind this?

I don't know why a player would want this .... but apparently they do. because befor ethey reduce dthe blinds the game almost never ran. Now it it is more frequent.

I guess they think that it's "cheaper" to play cause the blinds are lower, which is completely backwards. I bet that game is a rock garden. It's far more profitable/fun/tilt inducing to play in a game that encourages action. A 10/15 blind structure would be great!

good is kinda relative and I don't want to start an off topic argument with someone where it seems as it makes them feel stronger if they represent everyone else as weaker.

I will say this though, you can probably find better limit games in any other place in America that spreads it rather than Vegas.

This is definitely true but the V for trying to get LHE going again.

The 8/16 was going, and going well for over a year. Now they've managed to kill it and eventually the 15 will die. Trying without anyforethought is like randomly firing a gun into a crowd hoping you'll hit a criminal. Sure, I killed a bunch of innocent people but at least I tried to stop a crime from happening in the future.

I think they'll do what they need to to revive the 8/16. Loved that game.

Game Theory tells us to steal more often in smaller pots.

Best wishes,
Mason

I haven't been at the Venetian much since this new 15-30 structure was started.

But, every report I'm hearing from the room is confirming my occassional trip there.

The 15-30 is canibalizing the 8-16 game.



V_TD,

This seems like a failed experiment.