And incase anyone is still unsure... it's her fault

Exactly, but I don't think X X X really wants to discuss this in a rational manner.

Well I'm pretty even they have moved all in with their cards unprotected before. Once you put all your chips in you really aren't thinking that the dealer will somehow muck them. It honestly believe this could have happened to anyone. The dealer's gotta pay more attention.

come on if you make it to day 5, you're not new. just by virtue of lasting that long you got atleast 50 hours of live play already. Im gonna go out on a limb here and guess the ME wasnt the first time she played poker. She should be well aware of how the action goes by now. While the dealer does deserve some blame, I think ultimately it was Denis' fault

Considering she was allin with 200 left in the WSOP ME, I don't think she had 63os. I believe she really did have a big hand. Look how relaxed she was when she pushed her chips allin and sat back.

wtf is 50 hours? thats like less than 2000 live hands...



Nobody is questioning whether she knows how the action goes at the table. I'm not saying she shouldn't protect her cards. She certainly should as a sort of insurance so instances like this don't occur and it can only benefit the player. What I don't agree with is that it should be required. And that when a dealer ****s up, "well she wasn't protecting her cards" shouldn't be a viable excuse for said **** up.

It's a safeguard against human error. It's kinda like when a video poker machine deals you 5 Aces.. there's a little sign that says "Machine Error Voids All Payouts". It's a way for the house to protect themselves. Same with dealers.. all dealer errors (that can't be reversed due to whatever reason) voids your action and/or hand. It's simple really. And anyone with any decent amount of live poker play knows that.

Look at JC Tran in that picture, he has no chip on his cards, because he has a death grip on them.

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It doesn't matter how new you are. I almost saw a guy get run over the other day because I was so in shock of what was happening and it all happened so fast that my brain couldn't form the fact that I should yell "Watch out!" quick enough. Fortunately, the car that was fast approaching the dude had good brakes.

Let's take a different approach. From the moment you are dealt two cards at a poker table to the moment they are in the muck for that hand, those two cards are your property. It is you and you alone that own them. They are your means to make money and it is your responsibility to protect them. I'd like to give a good analogy here but I don't know that one without holes exists. The bottomline is you need to protect your property and if you don't, it's your fault that your property was stolen.

not enough estelle pictures itt!

i really felt for her. Even if she had a chip on her cards and he still took them cards would be dead right?

Lets find out the dealers name and ship him $1 as a farewell gift from his dealing career.

If your property was stolen, I sure wouldn't be blaming you for not having good enough security, even if your door was wide open. That's like blaming the rape victim for wearing provacative clothing.

no. Not buying a home security system doesn't excuse the fault or actions of a thief/robber who intrudes and takes your **** does it?

That doesn't work because you're talking about a crime,a deliberate act.This was human error .A better example would be someone walking at night wearing dark clothing and then getting hit by a car.Accidents happen but if you can take reasonable precautions you are more likely to avoid them.

You are correct, I followed Goodie into the crime angle but yours is more accurate. But personally, I think its more like the dark clothed person getting hit by a drunk driver (or a texting driver, if you prefer).

Dealer looks like LL Cool J. So he's in the right.

She said she had AA, but the guy I'm assuming didnt find them. So she's full of ****.

That would be a whole different situation. Not even in the same category as what we have here. That would be cause to fire a dealer imo; whereas this is a bread and butter, everyday type situation.

To all who keep saying its the dealer's fault, it doesn't really matter. Her hand is dead an she lost her chips. She got screwed? Yeah, but I assure you the dealer didn't dwell on it too long, he was just trying to get through his 12hours of mind numbing job to collect his meager paycheck from Harras.

She on the other hand had something on the line here. A simple precaution on her part could've avoided this fiasco. She had everything to lose. Everyone else involved didn't really care, with the exception of JC Tran, but he could only benefit from her distraction of course.

So, assuming dealers make mistakes from time to time, who do you think the burden is on, to make certain the hand isn't mucked?

The dealer was tired, unfocused and not very good anyway. I've been playing for 30 years and more times then not, my cards are unprotected. This has never happened to me. She got very very unlucky. By rule, there is nothing the floor could do. For those of you who doubt she had aces, stop playing poker, you have zero reading ability.

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The dealer mucked the cards. Of course he's at fault.

That does not excuse Denis from not protecting her hand though. There's always a slim chance that you'd get screwed.

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for a tournament like the main event, i think the whole situation could have been handled better. im not going to make any suggestions but i just have to think what would have happened if that was a pro and not some random. would they have retrieved doyle brunsons cards in this spot...?