Some benefits suggested in this thread are lower rake than if casinos were to pay a living wage (which I'm not convinced of) and the ability to weed out bad dealers by tipping the good ones and stiffing the bad ones (which I am convinced would in fact work if players would resist the urge to tip $1/pot to every single dealer).

So as it is now as opposed to an unrealistic hypothetical alternate scenario could be a benefit? Let's pretend this could even happen. Dealer's are the last one's who'd want this. As it is now with current rakes, dealer's wage + tips would be more (probably significantly) than dealer's wage with no tips in a higher rake scenario.

This is a unite the masses scenario which is unrealistic. The imagination of this is not a benefit for a player.

So what is/are your goal(s) to be reached by posting in this thread? Your posts seem pretty circular at this point.

Let me go first. I have been reading the forum for a year, and registered to ask a tournament tip question. That was about a month ago. I felt pretty good about posting it in this thread instead of the one in which it came up. Every time I asked, it was lost in the ceaseless debate. I feel like I have a good handle on cash game tipping, but I want to play some tourneys and had a simple question. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...l#post33913558
Any help is appreciated.

brain, my post above yours was directed to Lester.

As for the content of your post, I wouldn't bother tipping extra if there's already money taken out for staff either in the form of a chip bonus / add-on or a percentage taken out of the buy-ins. If there's not and I final tabled, I'd probably tip somewhere between 1% and 10% depending on how entertaining my experience was.

Thanks. The tournament I linked to takes a percentage for house fees, and a percentage for "staff fees". It doesn't say it is for the dealers. I think this makes it unclear if you tipped or not. Others just say dealer fees or dealer add on.
I knew you were talking to Lester, I just wanted to take advantage of the temporary cease fire. ;-)

brain, please accept my apologies. I know I contributed to making your post get lost in the shuffle. I'll step back and answer Rapini later. I'm also curious about how "staff fees" are distributed.

I like to say that dealing is harder than most players think, but easier than most dealers think. It's like a lot of things. When most people start, they are terrible. Some people become very efficient quickly, others take more time.

Man if you're really that touchy about being asked what's a fair rate for what you do, don't go into contracting.

Is this not the thread where we discuss these types of things? I made this post, got no discussion, and tried to follow the horrible, horrible thread for a little while. Should I be looking for the Non-AIDS Tipping Containment Thread?

No news is good news. If 30 dealers didn't fall out of the sky trying to rip out your carotid for undertipping and 30 nits didn't crawl out of the ooze and up your rear for overtipping, you musta perfectly split the baby.

I think it'd be pretty rude and hypocritical of me to make a post like "lol @ u," but you really did make me chuckle: you don't actually think that the bolded is possible, correct?

And $100 was fine for your BBJ table share. Why would posters want to discuss real-life scenarios civilly when they can direct veiled insults at each other while discussing absurd hypotheticals?

Indeed.

This thread has almost 3000 posts. I imagined it was full of "What should I tip?" hypothetical and real scenarios. And the Henry-types would argue with the reasonable people and the cheapos would defend their cheapness. Instead, the whole thread is a bunch of miserable hyper-cheapo blow hards blowing. Hard.

Terrible thread.

A number of those posts exist, and are factual, and provide the same guidance that you'd get from any tipping guide:

http://www.emilypost.com/out-and-abo...ing-guidelines


They're just pretty much summed up already in a half a dozen posts that happened 2000 posts ago.

• Tip a buck or so on winning hands when you do more than split the blinds.
• Throw and extra buck or two when you win a big one.
• Toss a buck or two if the dealer, brush, cage, floor, or anyone else in the room does something above and beyond for you.
• There's no generally accepted custom for jackpots -- but "standard" numbers range from 2-10%, with many players falling outside of those norms.
• Adjust based on local custom.
• Or, disregard what's customary and do as your heart and/or head tell you to do.

In the other 1990 posts or so, we enjoy discussing the culture and custom.

seems like more than fair for a job that doesn't require college degree or any sort of intelligence. I'd take that over being a low stake grinder tbh.

haven't read the whole thread and just found about this thread today.

But here's my tipping policy when I do play live poker:

1. no tip if i win the pot pre (no matter how big the pot is), same as no flop no drop rule.

2. no tip if the pot is being split in a non split pot game

3. $1 tip only no matter how big the pot is (i need to keep my win rate as high as possible)

4. $5 tip on any jackpot, I don't think dealers deserve a bigger tip on the jackpot, it's just another hand of his/her work day, I don't care if it's a jackpot or not. Although I've never won any jackpot myself and I don't expect to hit any of those anyway.

5. if dealer gets upset and start giving me any form of attitude (including pushing the pot halfway or deliberately dealing cards to me in a way i know it's cuz he's upset), the dealer will receive nothing from me from that point on.


One time I was playing at the Wynn and this new Asian female dealer sat down, everyone greeted her with "how are you?" and the dealer said "no" with a smile on her face. Table asked her why? The girl dared to say "cuz no tip" and then bunch of the guys on the table threw her 1-3 dollars each. I then obv went to report the lady to the floor and I very much hope that she got suspended or fired or at least got punished. VERY unprofessional. And yes, I'm a fellow asian too but I just can't accept that.

you're dealing at a $2/$5 table and player A, a regular, wins a $1300 pot, almost tripling up.

he tips you $2. would you rather take $0 or the $2?

$2 obv.

I know one dealer who's too proud and actually returned a $1 tip from a player from something like a $900 pot. If it wasn't for the fact that he's been there at least ten years, I think he'd have been fired.

one time a waitress was very rude to our table and I left her no tip.

Since nobody thinks they are cheap, maybe I really am cause I know the day I ever win a jackpot will be the last day any dealer ever wishes me well.

I tip well when there is loose action and the dealer is cool. If its a tough game I just go back to my 1 for most pots, 2 for big pots rule.

But on the jackpot tipping lolololololol

If you want me to voluntarily hand you hundreds (or thousands lol) of dollars you had better be doing something for me, in my interest, and it better be one hell of a favor. Otherwise I don't understand where you are coming from.

Yeah, BBJ tipping is definitely lol. Some people are treating it like it's a real estate agent's commission.

It's not.

Some people say if they won millions in the lotto they'd give the clerk
Who sold the ticket a million bucks.

Similarly silly.

I'd tip the dealer generously on the basis of the time he/she loses in the box due to administrative bull**** required for me to get paid out. For example, on a relatively large BBJ, the dealer loses an hour of dealing. I'd tip like $75 or $100, $2 for each hand he/she didn't get out.

Even (real estate) agents' commissions (as percentages) are not set in stone.

Usually, the more money involved, the lower the percentage.

I don't know anyone who pays the "standard commission rate" when selling a house (Bay Area, with bloated real estate prices).

So it doesn't make sense to apply the same percentage tip on a $100,000 "windfall" as on a $1000 "windfall".

AC BBJ

~$1000 share to everybody playing at a Caesars Entertainment Atlantic City poker room.

Who do they tip? The dealer at their game? Put in an envelope for the dealer who actually dealt the hand?