I'm having trouble thinking of dealers as a service job similar to waiters. The latter can vary in quality but for dealers, the right way to act is not to be "noticed" at all and just do the job properly, more like sports referees...It's not as if they can go above and beyond. Also, a poster above showed that they could make 6 figures, so not sure what to make of that.

This goes back to my premise then: I only tip those I like and of course that to me means don't screw me card wise. If the argument is that it's all random, why tip at all since they have no effect on outcome? Can't have it both ways so that I tip when they give me a pot but I still have to tip even though they burned me in the past but just now gave me a minor pot.

Well, that's ideal for the player. But the optimal strat for a dealer is to sacrafrice a bit of effecinecy for table chat and interacting with players (specifically the big tippers). And frankly, unless we're going to compensate them with more tips by being a robot all day, I can't blame them whatsoever. We're both acting in our own self interest.

Also, he said the cute girls could make 100k/year, or like top 5%, not just anybody.


IMO time raked games should be able to select dealers and have the table agree on tip amount per down -- likely around $25-50, everybody wins.

Several other posters and I just answered this question for you. Did you read the answers? Was anything particularly confusing about them?

Unprofessional and/or incompetent.

If they're unprofessional and/or incompetent, then yes.

So it's just because it's a tipped service/low wages and if they act professionally then you guys tip?

Well there were a lot more details above but I'd say that's a good summary.

I do work in a room where the big big games that are time versus rake, time includes and advance tip for the dealer ($25)
But they don't get to pick and choose what dealers gets to deal it, all dealers go thru the games if it's the next table to push

Yeah that's the part that nowhere does but I think should start to become a thing. Only very experienced dealers get the opportunity to deal the bigger games (time raked), and are thus compensated at a (generally) higher rate.

When do we just skip to the part where someone says "Hey, ss1, if you don't want to tip, you don't have to tip" so he can finally do what he wants to do but for some reason needs our permission.

You don't have to tip. We also don't have to like you, and we can think you're a scummer if you decide not to. If your only reason for tipping wait-staff is so they don't spit in your food, well, good news. There's not much a dealer can really do to punish you for being a stiff.

Why should you tip? Because it's a tipped position where they rely on the tips to meet their expected income. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. It all comes out in the wash. Just remember though, if everyone decides not to tip, the system breaks down entirely and it will ultimately cost everyone more money.

I guess this is more of a pet peeve, but it is about tipping. Is there anything worse than listening/overhearing poker dealers telling tipping bad beat stories? I'd rather listen to poker players complain about 1-2 outers for hours on end than to hear dealers whining to each other about how they pushed a reg a 500bb+ pot and only got a $1 tip.

Just as I'd recommend that you stop hanging out in poker rooms if you don't want to hear bad beat stories, you should stop hanging out in dealer breakrooms.

Unfortunately, there are too many dealers out there discussing these things in front of everyone and it makes us all look like self-entitled unappreciative bums. Makes me angry that they're out there making us all look bad.

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yeah thats what the dealer that I don't like (as described above) does as well, except he says it at the table... "i gave that guy a 2k pot and he didn't tip/only tipped X", like wow you entitled POS not helping your case at all buddy

I definitely don't need anyone's permission and it's definitely not being scummy to tip or not depending on certain situations. To suggest that one must tip always is the scummy and ridiculous part. I won't be pressured into tipping anyone I don't think deserves it. Btw, I never said that I don't tip, so read again.

Some of us may have different criteria but many agree that tipping always is not the proper way and some dealers are worse than others, so some deserve tips more than others.

Maybe players should stop complaining about bad dealers when other poker dealers can listen/overhear.

I've never heard a dealer discuss a specific tip at the table. That's really bad. I think I would have a strong negative reaction. At a minimum, I would not tip that dealer that down. Additionally, I'd consider sending a message to the room director and I might even say something right away at the table like, "Do you think he/she would have tipped at all if he/she knew you were going to talk **** behind his/her back after?"

I have heard players discuss tips at the table. I'm fine with players letting a player who appears to be new to the game explain tipping. (I've actually done it before.) But when they get into amounts or specific circumstances, I usually say something generalized sticking up for the tipper like, "It's his money. He can do whatever he wants with it." -or- "You might be forgetting that tipping is optional."

In the world of 'regs' both the Dealers and players, who see each other every day, get into conversations that might cross the 'professional' line ... with the other players at the table now being exposed to it as well. I struggle with this at times both from the Dealer and player perspective by letting things get too personal at the table.

Had a Dealer over the weekend who loudly stated "Thank you for the tip" each time. It was very obvious that he was making sure that the whole table (and those in each direction) knew what had happened and probably what should happen after each hand. No reason to double your octave level when showing your 'appreciation' and then drop back into normal conversation levels immediately.

Thanks 'Football' for putting out your stats for reference .. not sure how other Dealers will view that for the good or bad but it certainly can be used as a pivot point in some of the conversation. GL

What you've been saying about tipping is absurd. You fail to make some basic logical connections that everyone else is able to make without any difficulty.

I'm a dealer. I don't know how to deal you "better" cards. They don't teach that in dealer school. If I did know how to make sure that certain players got the "best" cards I could and would be justifiably fired and/or arrested.

The number one responsibility that I have as a dealer is to ensure that there is a fair, random, and impartial game of chance in place where the players know that nobody has an inherent advantage due to anything other than skill. Luck moves around the table on its own and not due to something the dealer intentionally does. The game and my job are designed so that nobody knows ahead of time where the luck is going to land.

Put it another way. If I actually had the ability to deal good hands to certain players whenever I wanted to, I would make sure to have my closest friends and family at every table around the room. My brother and sister would be at table 1 and table 2. My girlfriend would be at table 3. The guys who've been my lifelong friends would be at tables 4, 5, 6, and 7. And so on.

They'd tip me a buck or two per pot (nothing obvious, of course) on camera. And then we'd meet up at someone's house after work and that's where I'd get my real share of the profits for setting up the hands so well.

Sorry, ss1, but I don't really know you all that well. We didn't go to high school together or play little league baseball on the same team. And you're not married to my sister, so we're not family. You seem like a nice enough guy, but I'm not going to risk my job to make sure to deal you pocket Aces on demand just so that you'll like me.

But what I will do for you, ss1, is treat you with courtesy and respect when you're at my table. And I'll promise to give you 2 random cards just like everyone else at the table. Unless, of course, you're at the same table as my very close friend Mike.

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Thank you.

$25/hr was just used as an example because it is an easy number to do the math. It was not a number taken from anywhere. I never claimed dealers make $25/hr. Also, it was a number that was used to simulate what dealers currently make under the "tip whatever you want" way. It has nothing to do with $1/hand. It was the number we were trying to get to by increasing the rake to make it plausible to eliminate tipping.

What about El? Does this mean you only agree with him?

You all haven't a clue.

Suit:
I'm not really sure what you're saying here, so I'll just restate the simple point I made. If people tip $1/hand on average, then the rake will prob need to be increased about $1.20/hand for the casino to eliminate tipping without impacting how much dealers or the casino make.

ss1: Your tipping policy is analogous to tipping servers at a restaurant based on how much you enjoyed the food. In addition to that, if you ever got a meal you didn't like at a restaurant, you then stop tipping the server who brought you that meal even when you go back future times and get served great meals.

But now you have changed the whole basis of what we were talking about. As an example, I was saying dealers make $25/hr. To get them to $25/hr without tips we would have to increase the rake by some amount. No one ever said they average $1 per hand. You are the one that changed it. In other words... $25/hr does not equal $1/hand.

Yah, except itt, ad nauseam, all we ever hear is "I'd be happy as a pig in a blanket if I averaged $1 per hand" implying that dealers are getting shafted on the whole, when we know that's not the case. Guys like bolt don't want a guaranteed $25/hr while in the box because he'd be earning far less.

No one ever claimed that $25/hour was equal to $1 per hand . You're the one who put in the hourly amount, which is what has made some people confused.

Several people, including myself, guessed that dealers average about $1 per hand that sees a flop. I've played a lot of poker and I would say that is accurate for the games I play.