Exactly. The buy-in cap is a red herring.

Most rooms are horribly mismanaged, and thus fail to get any bigger games going. Parx is proof that a well run newcomer can successfully spread higher buy-in games (2/5 1k, 10/10 3k) despite all the conventional wisdom BS.

I respectfully disagree. Part of Parx's great service is recognizing that a $500 cap on 2/5NL is better for the long term health of the game. Borgata agrees, as to others as already stated.

As for the high level games - that is because of their location in relationship to those players, as much as anything.

And their really knowing how to run the room!

Lee

So are they going to have 1/3

Also please don't have both 1/2 and 1/3

You have your facts wrong. Parx has a 1k cap at 2/5.

Part of Parx' great service is recognizing that the way to get players to come was to offer the limits that they clearly want. It has been a great success; The 2/5 1k player pool at Parx is solid and stable.

Sugarhouse would do well to mimic the structures of the only room to successfully challenge the Borgata in the last decade, and offer the same higher buyins.

Agreed. That idea never works. See Borgata's failed attempts to get deep 3/5NL going. It just confuses people.

Get the structure right on the main game, and stick to it.

I don't see Sugarhouse trying to become Parx or the Borgata any time soon. They can make the same mistakes Bally's Wild Wild West WSOP room if they like, but this place is going to be a 1/2, 2/5, tourney room even after expansion IMO. At least for a good few years anyway.

They just don't manage the place like a Borgata level property, and that's fine. I would actually prefer a less "serious" room so recreational players show up every once in a while to just have a good time.

That would be a shame, and really underutilize the potential of this opportunity for the casino. They are opening a card room inside a major US city. They should aim higher.

I also think it is a false choice. Why can't people just show up to have a good time at a well run card room?

Why copy the same stakes that your competitors is offering. If there was 2/5 500 cap at Sugarhouse i'd rather play there then head to Parx where everybody is deepstack. Be different then maybe they will away some of the business.

And as far tournament goes i don't see how they can run a successful tournament. Where the hell would they put the extra tables needed for larger fields.

Why not have both. As long as you have 2+ tables of 2/5 running one has a 500 cap and the other 1000 max. If the 1000 max catches on add more tables. Why does it need to be one or the other. The more choices you give the players the better imo.

i'd recommend the same, pick 1/2 or 1/3 preferably 1/3

also, if you can get wifi in the room that might help differentiate you from harrahs

Something tells me there not gonna have a poker room without 1/2.

Agree

I'd counter that the 24/7 2-2 PLO, the daily 10-20 HOSE, and weekly 10/20+ 7-game (which devolved into straight Big O last week) at Marlyand LIVE and Parx is proof positive that these games are fringe, yet fun and accessible.

Just last week we had a player in 1/2 PLO deep @Harrah's drop the equivalent of 4 full BI at 1/2-1/3 in a matter of an hour or so. On a weekday afternoon. That's something you're not likely to see from LLS NLHE regs.

Bottom-line: a variety of games brings a variety of players. The gamblers flock in direct proportion to the number of cards they get and the stack depth is irrelevant (that anecdote was from a shorthanded table where avg stack was about 1100).

I just listened to the entire video from a 6/11/2014 meeting where officials from Sugarhouse Casino in Philadelphia laid out plans for the PA Gaming Control Board for Sugarhouse to start a temporary poker room by late August/early September of this year. The original idea was to open a poker room with the $115 million expansion at Sugarhouse, but now the casino wants to open a 24-table poker room inside an "instant building," from a company called Sprung, that makes temp buildings.

It will be a non-smoking poker tent, uh room, and you have to go to use the bathroom in the existing casino, which is like 25 yards from the poker room. Not a big deal, but odd.

I know the mod closed the existing Sugarhouse Thread, but that was based on the original plan of opening a poker room a year from now. That's all changed with this turn of events.

The PA Gaming Control people are going to vote on it, and from what I saw on the video, they are likely to approve the request. So by September, Philly players such as myself will be able to get to a poker room within minutes.

The casino management said they will have 80 dealers, half experienced and half trained through their dealer school. Also, the building will have a snack bar and cage.

Anyway, I usually drive to Parx/Harrahs Chester or down to Borgata, but I literally am a 15-minute walk from Sugarhouse. Not sure I like the idea of it being so close, actually. And it will be small, 24 tables (long waits on weekends?). No matter, I hope it's well-run, whatever the case may be, with some tournaments.

New news? Date?

Hope you're not planning that walk at night.

2/5 500max and 2/5 deep 2500max would be cool

Yeah, no one walks around the Northern Liberties area at night

Yeah the neighborhood itself really is not that bad. Not sure why people talk about it like it's in the ghetto. You do have Kensington and north Philly close by though. And there's always the possibility of someone seeing you cash out and targeting you.

Might be all the robberies that occur in the parking lot let alone what might happen a few streets away. Regardless I will be stopping in

Would you still roll your eyes if your daughter was murdered in front of you -- in Northern Liberties?
http://6abc.com/archive/9404660/
http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-2...n-monday-night

I know I wouldn't

Lolcities

The safety issue is being overblown. You can pull articles showing people who have been murdered all over Philly, like the doctor who lived in Rittenhouse, which is one of the nicest areas in Philly, who was tied up and burned to death in her own place.

I lived at third and south for 2 years and someone got shot a block away on Bainbridge. There are stores, restaurants, and a lot of tourists in that area. Does that mean I should be scared to walk around there or leave my place?

Best rule of thumb is to use common sense. Don't walk late at night in shady areas by yourself. If something seems off if probably is. Take cabs, change walking patterns, and if someone does stick you up for a grand just give it up. Really not worth hesitating or fighting and losing your life over it.

All that said I love living in Philly

I heard about that, and no I'd probably burst out crying or something.

Would you tell people not to walk around Rittenhouse at night? A woman was just raped there, and it is probably the nicest part of the entire city.

Crime happens everywhere. Be alert and sober and you'll most likely be fine.