Right now there's a thread about how high gas prices, a bad economy and hyper-aggressive internet players are killing live NL hold'em cash games.

Well, you might be able to kill NL hold'em but you will never kill poker. I'm wondering what other games you people are seeing the fish play, and what game you think will take over the live tables when NL hold'em is good and dead?

Tournaments.

You're already seeing it, and it makes sense for all the reasons I probably don't need to go into.

I see no shortage of fishy players at intro-stakes LHE, either.

When we become rich and stupid with cash again, I think PLO may gain more momentum.

Omaha is dead. It has been "the game of the future" for over 20 years.

Limit hold'em, not O8?

Is anyone playing Stud other than the elderly at Foxwoods & Larry Flint?

Are there any card rooms spreading mixed games like HORSE & HOSE, or is that just a Beligio Big Game thing?

Wait.....I think the sky is falling too.

Mark my word, Chinese Poker and Crazy Pinapple will be come the new NL in 2010.

Pineapple wouldn't be too awful

Crazy Pinapple is actually a pretty good bet. It plays like hold'em post-flop with hand values running closer together pre-flop.

My prediction:

2012 wsop will have 28 badoogie events.

I hope for this. A place rounhere is trying to spread $500 max PLO and every time I want to play the game breaks.

Commerce has been trying to spread an 8/16 HORSE game but every time I am there it never goes.

100 BB capped NL will never die, it allows the bad players to lose at just the right rate and many post-boom players have never even tried LHE. Things always slow down when the economy goes bad, but then they swing back. Folk who have only played post-boom, have no idea how good the games are, even now, since they only have the greatest boom period in the history of poker as a reference point. If you were born worth 50 million, 10 million looks like hard times.

I think PLO it too complicated to run live that it will stay mostly online.

NLHE isn't going anywhere.

You just won't see many fish plopping down money in cash games.
Tournaments are where its at. Tournaments have a lot of the same elements that make PLO great, but the donks get to play their favorite game.

When I say PLO and tournaments have things in common I mean:
You can play absolutely horrible in both and not be aware of this because you will hit "big scores" and even an awful player can convince themselves they are good.

Its much harder to convince yourself you are good at NLHE cash if you are a big loser.
Its a lot easier to see a tournament buyin as entertainment than it is in cash.
Also, ideally you want the fish rebuying in cash and it tournaments you don't care what they do as long as they show up.

NLHE tournaments will be the most popular form of poker for a long time to come. Because of this NLHE will remain the most popular poker game. PLO will likely move into second, but will never be the "main game".

It will likely remain the game that has some dedicated grinders who pick money off fish and players who regularly play other games. But hey, If you are a PLO player isn't that the way you want it?

So basically poker evolves to forms where there is less and less of a skill differential

5 stud -> 5 draw, nl uncapped -> 7 stud -> limit HE -> low cap nlhe, low buy-in, high juice and super fast blinds nlhe donkaments.

PLO8 will be the game of kings shortly after we grow gills like Kevin Costner.

I feel like this post deserves applause, or kudos, or something.

A metaphor for the dumbing down of American life, I suppose.

Or is it a parallel and not a metaphor? See, I'm getting dumb.

I don't think I agree with the skill rankings here. 5 stud is just plain dumb.

Watch The Cincinatti Kid

The last hand is horrible poker. You would think since they changed quite a bit from the novel, they would have also written a credible last hand.

What you are referring to has more to do more with the poker rooms decision and not a decision by players as a whole.

But yes bad players are more likely to play where they perceive they have an advantage. Good news is in spots like PLO what they perceive as an advantage due to high variance is actually a huge disadvantage.

I haven't seen Cincinatti kid, but the hand couldn't be worse than the last hand in Casino Royal.

there is no way omaha is dead, most of the high stakes online regulars are moving to this game many live people will begin much of the same

Omaha will not die. Its followers may be few, but they are passionate. You see a lot of older players at it, but that's because they're dedicated. There are plenty of younger players who will likely remain as dedicated and ultimately be the old nits.

To be fair I haven't played it. The hand from Amarillo Slim's book where Nick the Greek says "I do believe I have a Jack here." implies that is a very gutsy nl game.