I'm playing a 2-60 spread-limit game at the casino.

Villain bets $60 on the river, I call him with Ace-Ten high on a KQQ49 board.

As soon as I call, Villain goes, "Good call, I have nothing" and picks up his cards, but does not muck them.

I say, "Either table your hand or muck it, it doesn't matter to me."

Villain: "Dude, you win, just table your hand."

I just sit there for a bit. Dealer finally tells Villain he needs to table his hand. Villain finally tables 8 high for a busted flush draw, I table my Ace and win the pot.

...Am I being a dick here? I'm obviously pretty sure I have the best hand, but we've all been wrong in my spot--where Villain's "Nothing" is actually Ace-Jack high or 22 or something, and he wins. I'd much rather he just muck his hand so I win the pot without confrontation.

What do you say?

from what i know villain is supposed to show his hand because he was the last aggressor.

I believe the phrase I've heard is, "I called you". Def wait for him to muck or table his hand before you show yours. Pretty standard imo. The guy Obv didn't want to show he bluffed you with 8 high, But he also didn't to muck his hand and have you awarded the pot without showing yours.

Oh and FWIW, the only slow roll I see in that situation is if you have 3 Q's or Quad Q's and are just waiting for him to flip knowing that you had him crushed.

Or you can just show your hand, ask to see his if you must and move on to the next hand.

Etiquette suggests that you show.

When that fails, the rules insist that he shows.

I don't really want to see his hand, though. I want to win.

Obviously, if I have the nuts and pull this maneuver, I'm being a dick--I'm just forcing a player to table a bluff to rub his face in it, and I'm wasting everyone's time.

This is a totally different situation. I have Ace-high. I'm losing to a few bluffs--bluffs that I'd rather he just fold.

Etiquette if he mucks instead of waiting to see what you have?

If you really don't care to see his hand, and you just want to win, if you have the better hand, you cannot lose the hand by showing first.

Greg Raymer says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7bVCun51hY

Not 'fold'. He could have folded if you had raised him.

You want him to 'muck' because you want to win without the best hand and you didn't feel like bluffing.

You're being a dick. Unless you really want the info. If you do, you should say something like "I called you."

I'm kinda with OP on this one. At showdown if someone even acts like they don't want to show and I have bottom pair I'll just flip it instantly. But, there have been one or two times where I hero called with ace high and did basically the same as op because I've had people say like 'nice call, I was bluffing' with pocket 2s or a better ace high etc.

Villain just had 8 high, he knew you weren't calling with worse so he could have just mucked.

Scoop the chips.

Not a bad point.

Me too.

Can't tell you how many times I see the bettor say "You got it, I got nothing."
and the caller shows a pair only to have the bettor say,
"Oh I have the ace, I thought you had me outkicked."
or "I've got a set, I thought you hit your flush."

And as the dealer I don't let the dance go on.
"You've been called." If the bettor won't show I call the floor.

If you gladly show out of turn with a hand and then one time
you want the bettor to act first he's gonna know you're weak.

Better to make him act in turn always and then show your hand
after he mucks, then he won't hessitate to muck his bluff later.

I'm with OP on this one.

Also, OP has a very weak bluffcatching hand at best and OP sure doesn't want to show it if he doesn't have to. Therefore, OP wants villain to show first in case villain shows up with a weak pair or somesuch.

Villain can show or muck because villain was last bettor. Anyone who doesn't like this doesn't like poker because it's how the game is played.

So, his Opponent shows pocket deuces or AJ and OP can muck without showing.

Like nobody at the table can guess what OP had?

Funny video.

But the very first line is "When you obviously have the superior hand..."

In this case, I only have Ace-high. I obviously suspect I have the best hand--I called--it certainly doesn't qualify here.

I had a similar hand later in the night when I had a low flush on a paired board. A different Villain bet the river, I called, he said "You got it" and I instantly tabled my flush.

My question applies solely to "hero calls."

BS you made the call, you invested your money by rule you can ask and have the right to have him show his hand or muck it. You didn't slowroll him.

If I call someone with Ace-High...I'm sure as hell making them show first. A lot of time people will muck Ace-Jack or 22 here. In total, this is the smart play. Slow roll would be if he actually had you beat.

There is no such thing as slow rolling ace high.

The other guy however was a douche bag for saying "you got it" and then refusing to muck. I'm totally OK with calling a guy who is running nothing but a bluff and him not showing his hand despite the rules obligating him to, as long as he insta-mucks after saying I got it. Typical etiquette makes it OK to just muck after getting called and not showing.

If you wait for him to show and then muck to his 22... what's the difference if you had just tabled the high end of your range in the first place?

When I call with A-high, it's usually good, so I don't mind showing if the opponent balks. If he ends up showing better, at least we get to move onto the next hand, and nobody's upset with me for contributing to a standoff.

I'm not against people waiting and showing in order, either, but I don't think it's a huge deal either way.

Because there's a chance he will muck 22 or ace-better kicker.

If I'm called I show right away.
If my opponent, when called, would rather muck maybe the best hand I'll take the pot.

I like to not look at or address the villain. Look to the Dealer with a blank look on your face while protecting your cards. Dealer will conclude it is his job to promt villain. If he mucks, either table or wait until you get the pot. If he turns his hand, and you win, then table yours and if you lose muck.

You don't have to engage the villain. The "dance" is between villain and dealer.

Yeah, fair enough. There's also a chance he mucks a better hand after you table, which won't happen if you force him to show first. It's probably a wash.