My .02 :

the fact that something is a mathematically optimal play does not mean that all moral responsibility for the situation vanishes. Only a sociopath believes otherwise. And because I do not believe that most poker players aspire to be sociopaths, I think that the question has to go deeper than "what is most +EV to me at this exact moment".

Just my off-the-cuff thoughts, for whatever they're worth.


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No. But bringing your own liquor into a place to continue getting hammered 6 hours after last call is at the very least signs of a problem. There's nothing wrong with getting drunk from time to time by an inability to stop is a symptom of alcoholism. If the dude is not yet an alcoholic, he most certainly has a problem.

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It was his decision to go to a casino, his decision to get drunk, his decision to continue playing and continue drinking. People should face consequences of their decisions. Absolutely nothing wrong for me with keeping playing with him.
Why it is fair to take advantage of someone using our mental abilities or experience, but immoral to take advantage of his physical state that isn't suitable for playing poker properly?

I've played in a room in Vegas that has no problem with people getting really drunk but as soon as they are up big they kick them out of the poker room. I'm sure the idea is they'd rather the drunk loses all the money in the pit to the house than to us poker players.

this thread could have been ended with one word: NO

Your thoughts are worth a lot because, well, they're YOUR thoughts.

That said, However, I do disagree with you. Why is this becoming a moral issue? Would you 'take advantage' and try to exploit a really weak opponent? Of course you would. They both came to the poker room (the weak player and the drunk) to play poker, but the majority of the time, their results will end very similar to one another's, and that's leaving the session loser. And, as long as I'm courteous at the table, I don't angleshoot, I don't cheat in any way, then my conscience is completely clear. I can not control someone's drinking problem, I am only a guest in the establishment just like he is.

I'll say this for the third time itt: for all of you who seem to think this is a moral issue, how come none of you are putting any of the blame on the completely annihilated guy? Where do you think he's going after the session? The casino doesn't have a hotel so do you think he's walking home? Last I heard, he was getting his booze FROM HIS CAR, yet you have no 'moral issue' regarding the lives of innocent people who'll be sharing the road with this poor sap.

OP also claims that he was a horrible person at the table, but, I gather you're ok with that, because, being drunk somehow gives you a 'get out of jail' card to act anyway you feel like, whereas the sober player who is doing everything within the rules, and who probably has more morals in their little pinky than this guy, is getting fingers pointed at them cause we're not bending over backwards for the one guy who is actually ruining the game.

I think it's about time you (not just you, in general) put the blame where it belongs. Don't blame me for continuing to work at my job and call me a sociopath in the process. Thank you.

I have seen people tapped on the shoulder and stepped away from table then picked up for being too far gone. I have also seen em stopped before getting back to the table with more cash when they were too far gone.
I have also seen Tequila come back up (not on the felt but close). Game kept goin, player didnt get picked up. Husband came and carried her out.

at my local casino the floor managers are pretty good at kindly asking ppl to leave if they get too drunk, obviously with 3-4 security guys behind them lol but i do think its fair to ask ppl that have gone way to south to leave the game.

on another note an another regular saw his friend playing at another table also way to drunk, he asked floor manager to ask him to leave for that reason he didnt wanna tell him himself but they let him stay though.

Ideally, I think this should not be an issue that the players have to decide on anyway. Servers should do their jobs and not overserve. Floor supervisors should do their jobs and rack people up who are not in a condition to legally play. Dealers should do their jobs and call their floors attention to situations where necessary.

But when these things don't happen, yes, I think we as players do have a responsibility to keep the games clean too.

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