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running it twice 'strategy' rant with advice if you want to set people straight running it twice 'strategy' rant with advice if you want to set people straight

07-28-2015 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Pretty sure he means he takes out $20 but they don't.
Yup, results in +$20* their equity in ev. I might be able to push this number higher tbh, I suspect that $50 might be possible, I'll try seeing how high I can go.
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07-28-2015 , 11:21 AM
I like running it twice because bad players are more likely to get it in with an inferior holding if they know that you run it twice. If you only run it once, bad players are more likely to fold their inferior hand to you because they don't have a second chance to get their money back.

So I guess running it twice is +EV IMO, but only because you will get worse hands to pay you off more often than if you only run it once.
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07-28-2015 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mind_Taker
I like running it twice because bad players are more likely to get it in with an inferior holding if they know that you run it twice. If you only run it once, bad players are more likely to fold their inferior hand to you because they don't have a second chance to get their money back.

So I guess running it twice is +EV IMO, but only because you will get worse hands to pay you off more often than if you only run it once.
They're also more likely to call your bluffs.
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07-29-2015 , 01:49 AM
Just had a hand where i had QQ on Q99 and other guy c/shoved on me with a 97 well now if i would have run it twice i am guaranteed 50% of the pot.
Then i thought about how to explain how its still 0ev vs run it once/rit... as everyone says its always 0ev.
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07-29-2015 , 04:19 AM
What's greater?

2% of 100
1% 50.
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07-29-2015 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
They're also more likely to call your bluffs.
Value bets make up a far larger amount of my bets vs. fish than bluffs do, so even if they call my bluffs more often because I run it twice I still make more by running it twice if they also call my value hands more often.
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07-29-2015 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
What's greater?

2% of 100
1% 50.
Umm, 2% of 100.
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07-29-2015 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dinesh
Umm, 2% of 100.
This post is so sublime. Thank you.
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07-29-2015 , 04:53 PM
I can't tell who's trolling anymore.
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07-29-2015 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
What's greater?

2% of 100
1% 50.

ya that was supposed to say (2% of 50)x2.


I deserve it more than the other guy now.
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07-29-2015 , 07:31 PM
Guy with a buy in gets it all in;

He runs it once he either busts and rebuys, busts and gets replace, or is now sitting on a deep stack. Guess which players make more money when it gets deep. Occasionally he'll bust and not get replaced but guess which type of players usually have more the best of it short handed.

He runs it twice some percentage of the time the stacks just stay the same. Plus it's annoying and takes time, guess which players have the most valuable time.

If you're a winner you'll be a bigger winner running it once. Every mod in here can make a snarky notsureifseriousgif or whatever post it just is what it is.
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07-29-2015 , 07:59 PM
If you're flex mapping properly it's an easy decision once it twice.
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08-20-2015 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Corto Montez
whenever I'm allin against them and ahead I say I'll rit if they let me take back $20 or so from the pot. They usually agree to this.
Is this legal, even in a time rake game? Doesn't this violate the integrity of the game, to allow one player to pull part of his bet back? Even if both players agree, wouldn't the dealer want to call a floor person over?
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08-20-2015 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DisRuptive1
Is this legal, even in a time rake game? Doesn't this violate the integrity of the game, to allow one player to pull part of his bet back? Even if both players agree, wouldn't the dealer want to call a floor person over?
This can only occur when all in, and almost always the pot is such that max rake is already taken out. Room rules could prevent, but I'd be surprised to find a room that allowed RIT that would also have a problem with this.

Last edited by Thikk; 08-20-2015 at 04:41 PM. Reason: spelling
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08-20-2015 , 06:25 PM
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[quote name="Mind_Taker" post=47678743]I like running it twice because bad players are more likely to get it in with an inferior holding if they know that you run it twice. If you only run it once, bad players are more likely to fold their inferior hand to you because they don't have a second chance to get their money back.<br />
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So I guess running it twice is +EV IMO, but only because you will get worse hands to pay you off more often than if you only run it once.
They're also more likely to call your bluffs.[/QUOTE]

This is a big reason I prefer it once. I think what's best largely depends on your play style (and also to a lesser degree the play style of your opponents at the particular table you're playing on).

I'm a pretty LAG player and the players I play with usually know that. I used to get a lot more folds when I only ran it once. Since Ive been a lot more willing to run it twice, they're much more prone to call me down with marginal holdings. Good when I have the nuts sure, but more often I'm on a big bluff or semi-bluff, so it ends up costing me overall.

As a side note I think RIT for a time also caused a leak in my game where I was being more bluffy than usual in bad spots, knowing they'd run it twice if I got called, only I was almost always way behind when I did get called.

RIT can also encourage our opponents to put more moves on us (especially when they know we have a wide range), something I want to avoid with my play style since it puts me in a lot more tough spots.

Of course if you're a nit you love this and want to encourage maniacs and calling stations by always being down to RIT. But for those with a looser style I think RIT hurts a lot more than it helps.
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08-23-2015 , 11:48 PM
Absolutely the last thing I want to do at the poker table is start explaining how statistics work. I can't think of any upside in helping my opponents think more clearly about maths or in telling them that I know more about poker than they think I do.

Also RIT is +EV because reducing variance is a real benefit.
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