No problem there.

Next up: Table talk. Pointless time wasting chatter? or angle shot? You be the floor...

This may just be a guess, but I think there's a fair to middling chance that you're putting too much thought into this.

The issue of it taking up too much time is irrelevant. Why? BC you can just call time on them. If someones doing this beyond one minute ya its alittle outrageous and is taken too far.

Its really not that big of a deal...poker is a social event. if someones doing it consistently every hand for several minutes...call time on them.

Live poker is a social event and should stay that way...if you rule it out I really think it hurts them game...ie making it too serious for the people that just want to try it out.

Another note. Angle shooting and this are total opposites.

This goes back to the philosophy question on whether poker should be a strict rules game (know all the rules or suffer the consequences) or guidelines game (we're here to let the fish have fun and in the end, the best hand should win at showdown).

Aria is clearly coming down on the strict rules side. I'd rather have a judgment call on this. I certainly benefit from someone asking these questions from time to time, so I don't mind it. However, we've all played with the two guys who do the Kabuki dance every hand they are in on the river, even if it is just the blinds and limps in the pot, managing to slow the game to a crawl and convincing the fish that BJ is way more exciting. It would be nice to have the dealer empowered to say, "Knock it off and either call or fold," when it is necessary.

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I believe I second this. We also discourage table talk concerning the hand in progress.

It's also somewhat of an issue as to when poker catches up with the rest of the casino as far as evolution goes. You can't get away with acting like a jackass and slowing up the game at blackjack or craps, and you shouldn't be allowed to at poker either. But the more nonsense that goes on in poker, the tighter the rules will inevitably become. Which might be a good thing.

In limit it's just usually a bunch of swear words followed by a call.

The clock only prevents the most egregious time-wasting. By the time someone calls the clock, a full minute or two is already wasted, so the clock only prevents a 1 minute delay from stretching to 2 or a 2 minute delay from stretching to 3. (Assuming a 1 minute clock; I've actually never called clock on anyone nor had it called on me so I don't know if rules vary from locale to locale.)

The only way to prevent someone from wasting more than a minute is to call the clock on them immediately after it's their turn to act. I'd rather not do that, no matter how bad the Villain is.

this, im kinda not a fan of when the ppl do that type of talk but thats just me. i think it wastes time

Anything more than sixty seconds is unnecessary. You can make a sound decision in under sixty seconds.

I just laughed out loud until i realized there was an l in the first word you said. Then I laughed again.

WP

I think I'm in with Aria for this rule.

I idiots who hollywood on the river.

Finally someone started doing this. I never see arguably the greatest NL player of all time, Doyle, table talk while in a hand. Why can't the new players take him as role model for etiquette at the table instead of taking after the trash talkers?

YOu can talk about blackjack during a blackhack hand. The pit games would never alienate gamblers by imposing nitty rules. Hopefully the poker rooms will catch onto that.

You're playing against the house and in most cases now days, the BJ dealer doesn't know what they have until they turn their card up anyway. Not a good comparison.

I have to agree on this thought process.

But if you think of it as this...its the same thing as someone sitting there for Thirty seconds or more replaying the events of the hand in his head. Just because you do not like how the player goes about it isn't a reason for ruling. Saying that I hate listening to these people is not a sufficient reason to stop it. If a player is thinking too long call time...if he's talking while thinking too long...call time.

They are relatively the same...just because you do not approve of one doesn't mean you can stop it.

This is live poker...it will be the same speed no matter what. For the few times someone talks outloud about the hand...there's a bunch more of people sitting thinking in their heads and taking up time.

I really doubt stoping this will speed the game up significantly...although I say this because where I play its not an issue.

I don't understand what that has to do with it. The issues are the same. The house has a short term incentive to stop them from talking, and they don't do it.

Yes, they want as many hands as possible in BJ but they also want happy players.

The house has the edge, they win more hands than they lose. The idea is to keep the players inheir seats. Free drinks, sexy servers, comps, and more just to keep players coming back and spending as much time as possible playing. If a player isn't cheating, they will let them talk to keep them happy.

In Poker, more hands means more rake. But I suspect the reason behind this rule is game integrety more than rake. Heads up table talk probably does not slow the game that much.

stupid rule, they'll come to their senses and change it eventually.

I know a lot of you see poker as just a way to make money but the people you want to be playing are those who are doing it for a laugh and a bit of a fun night out. Socioble player like to ask a player if they have a hand and sometimes it works to see if they seem confident or nervous. Whilst you would like as many hands as posible as quickly as possible to take said weak, fishy sociable player's money, if they do not enjoy the game they leave and lose at bj, roulette or craps instead. They are playing poker because they enjoy the social element of playing against people rather than the house. It takes away the enjoyment from the game and I think will kill the action - a friendly table with lots of talk and banter about the hands creates action.

Low limit players like the table talk. Prohibiting it will be bad for Aria. Killing someone's hand for violating it will be REALLY REALLY bad for Aria. Tourists playing NL1/2 are mostly trying to have a good time, not grind the maximum number of hands per hour.

If you've never seen someone effectively lay their hand face up on the table by opening their mouth in response to a question, you haven't played much poker or you aren't good at reading people. Odd thing is, many times the player doing the questioning completely misses it when it happens, which only proves it was pointless for THAT particular player to engage in this. But really, it's just stunningly common for people at NL1/2 to flat out truthfully tell an opponent exactly what they hold when asked. "Did you hit two pair?" "Yeah, sorry dude, you shoulda bet the turn." "Will you show if I fold?" "Sure." And poof... he turns over two pair.

okay, does this rule include not talking strategy about poker at the table if so....THEN THANK GOD FINALLY

People can also give off false positives and you get stacked thinking he is weak. Better to understand the hand itself than to ask questions if you ask me. So many people just don't pay enough attention to do this, or pay attention to how people play when not in the hand.

All in all, I think its a dumb rule, but it doesn't bother me if thats what the rule is.

What a great rule. NL would be a much better game if it moved faster. Too many posters on this thread are hung up on how they get small advantages from table talk, and don't think about how they'd have more happy games if the games moved faster and were more interesting. When two guys are locked in a showdown that means there is a table of 7 guys reading the paper or staring at the TV or doing something that isn't gambling. Once the fish understand they can't quiz people during the hand, they'll adjust and do their table talk after the hand, they aren't going to quit the game.