And yet poker players say dealers are the biggest problem at the table.

Actually, I'm not a dealer. I'm also not a douchebag, unlike a recent poster.

haha thats a call 100% of the time, pretty sick, id just reach over and take my money.

its a call 100% of the time. something makes me think OP didnt even happen.

no logic on earth exists where this isnt a call.

yeah seriously if you're facing a bet and your throwing chips around not intending to call you should be expected to pay off the rest of the bet. just seems like it would be a really easy angle to just throw out a single undervalued chip, wait to see villain cards, notice you're beat and come up with "oh I didn't call, I was folding I just wanted to tip the dealer for giving me the losing hand". or "i just want change to give to the waitress" or " I'm just playing tiddly winks with the chips"

counterpoint: If you see your opponent call a bet with an improper amount, it's on the bettor to ensure that the called bet is properly understood before tabling his hand. Just protect yourself and it won't be an issue.

from Robert's Rules:

Mic drop. One chip calls are lame.

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you're supposed to drop the mic after you say something, otherwise you won't be heard.

So you'd get banned instead of him?
Seriously, whatever you think of the silent one-chip call (personally I hate it), unless your room actually has a rule which specifies that it is not an action (I believe Suit's room does this), throwing a chip into the pot is 100% a call, every time, everywhere (or at least it should be). Player should either make good or be banned.
I understand that if you're calling a $700 bet with stacks of red chips, a one-chip call is easier and may save time. But it's still easy enough to simply say, "Call" (and push in 1 or 2 stacks while your opponent shows or mucks).
FWIW, I see one-chip calls several times every hour. But I only see someone (try to) refuse to pay perhaps once every year or two (generally late at night, alcohol involved). I seem to hear about it happening about once every several months. So I don't think it actually happens all that often.

Great post by MJ88. Even in those rooms where such a rule is specified, it should be a call some of the time. See the OP for a great example.

Every player is expected to know the rules of the room. That's not an invitation or a license to angle.

I agree that in the OP it is a call and should have been ruled as such unless a house rule exists.

As to the bold, what do you say about this scenario:

3 players OTR. player 1 bets $10. Player 2 pushes all in for $500. Player 3 silently tosses in a $25 chip and player 1 folds. Player 2 instantly shows the nuts and player 3 says I thought I was only calling the $10 bet by player 1.

WateryBoil's ruling is...?

Probably not the best example because you're gonna get caught up in the Gross Misunderstanding rule.

That is exactly the point of the example. You can't mitigate any gross misunderstandings if 1 chip is always 100% a call.

Depends on the room.
Protect your self and your action.

First time I see it in a room where I don't know the rules, simply ask the dealer "Is that a call here?" Act accordingly.

Easy game.

Same with out of turn action, straddling, and a variety of rules that are different room to room. Just ask.

"I dropped my chip."
"I didn't mean to put it in the pot."


vs.


"I accidentally said call."
"I accidentally put in substantially the same amount as the wager I was facing."

Which one leads to less ambiguity?

I do this all the time when I think my hand is good. Always understood it as a call. I think most players are civil and understand it as a call idk I never had a problem with it.

I honestly don't even know what you're asking me. Neither set of statements leads to any ambiguity. It is the act of putting in a single chip, saying call, or putting in a stack of chips which might potentially be considered ambiguous, not the explanation for them after the fact.

The second set are explanations for things I would more likely rule a call. Is that the answer you're looking for? I can't even tell.

If a chip rolls off his stack that is one thing. If he frisbees a chip into the center of the felt, there is zero ambiguity there.

After player 2 pushes all in for $500, I watch the dealer flick a BRIGHT RED all in button that we have in every casino ive ever played at in front of player 2. Player 3 simply cannot claim he was calling whatever bs bet player 1 made as player 2 is visually all in, impossible to miss or angle. Hand continues perfectly with the 1 chip rule.

Easy aint it? Also player 2 is "1 chip" shoving as well as player 3 is "1 chip" calling? Pretty rare and weird but my solution above crushes it regardless.

The number of problems ive witnessed or been involved with myself with the 1 chip thing in 7 years is exactly 0. I should be a floor

Where are you located, out of curiousity? Because of the 4 casinos closest to me, 3 of them (Horseshoe Baltimore, Hollywood Perryville, and Delaware Park) do not use these all in buttons. Only Maryland Live does.

For the record, I like the buttons and the lack of ambiguity they provide, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect every casino to have them.

This generally the opposite of how rulesets work. You need to put something in the rules if you want it enforced. Not the other way around.

If it literally isn't in the rules like MJ is saying, how is a player supposed to know it?

It's an angle shoot in my opinion. It should have to be accepted as a call. Tossing in a single undersized chip into the pot to make a call is typically what most players do when dealing with a large bet or an "all-in" bet. It's been my understanding that chips thrown into a pot that is less than the bet you're working with are always a call.

I haven't dealt with any angles thrown at me like that. The dealer should confirm it being a call before you table your hand.

It was my understanding that you were saying that 1 chip call leads to less ambiguity.

If that isn't the case, please disregard.

This is great except that just because you're personally okay with "tough titties" being an answer as to why a patron of your room is out $500, it doesn't consider gross misunderstanding at all and people DO make mistakes. It's part of the reason the blurb I quoted above from one of the versions of Robert's Rules says that the character of the player may also be considered in the floor's ruling.