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PLO ruling re called player showing two and mucking two. PLO ruling re called player showing two and mucking two.

03-14-2015 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gotf
If I were player 1 in this case I would definitely shown the other 2. In plo it's so easy to misread hands or for both players to miss draws, or get counterfeited.

For example, what if player 1 had A Q like he showed and the two other cards were to make flushes double suited and missed.

Player 2 could easily had AJ98 double suited. Let's say flop is J 10 4. not out of the question for me to bet out if I have gutter straight and nut flush. Turn is a 10 and I try to steal. All player 2 has is J's and tens and could fold to me representing a 10.

River come another 10, player 2's jacks up are counterfeited, and he now loses to AQ. The only way player can win, is to get player 1 to muck. Once player 2 sees AQ and know he has the losing hand, what does he have to lose by asking player 1 to show or muck. Player 1 is wrong to assume that he is beat although he probably is when player 2 asks to see the cards. If player 1 shows the other 2 cards, player 2 might instantly muck.

I've seen some funky plo hands where 9 or 10 high has won big pots when multiple players say, I missed, me too, me three
While I agree wholeheartedly that Omaha players do misread their hand/board, usually, when they have called an all in(big bet) at the river? They know what they have, and, it'll be better than just AQxx high. So, I don't think it would've mattered in this particular case, but I do think it's good practice to just table your hand and put the ball in your opponents court(ie) maybe they misread the board and muck a winner, but, if you show two and then muck the other two anyway, why even bother showing anything?...cause you've basically just relinquished any claim to the pot. Looks like the guy was more concerned about "saving face" than he was about actually winning the pot. Like you said, players are routinely and correctly betting w/all sorts of draws(it's a huge draw game ldo), so why the drama at the end? No need.
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03-14-2015 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
This happened in a game I was playing in a few years back. Player A shows two cards, the nuts, on the river, and mucks the other two. I can't remember if the other player showed all his cards or mucked himself, but everyone got their money back. It's a good rule because the mucked cards could spoil the deck, there could be two ace of hearts in there.
No, that's a terrible rule. If you are genuinely concerned about a fouled deck, you can count it down.

I don't know where people got the idea that if you suspect a fouled deck you just keep on living in suspicion and never verify.
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03-14-2015 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
Can you please cite this rule? Maybe I'm just blanking, but I don't recall ever seeing this in the TDA rule set.
18: Asking to See a Hand
Players not still in possession of their cards at showdown, or who have mucked face down without tabling their cards, lose any rights or privileges they may have to ask to see any hand.
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03-14-2015 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Uniden32
18: Asking to See a Hand
Players not still in possession of their cards at showdown, or who have mucked face down without tabling their cards, lose any rights or privileges they may have to ask to see any hand.
I interpret (and imo the intent of the rule) this to mean, anyone who has cards at the start of showdown is allowed to ask to see the hand. So, either player in the OP is allowed to ask to see the hand.
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03-14-2015 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by The Big K
I interpret (and imo the intent of the rule) this to mean, anyone who has cards at the start of showdown is allowed to ask to see the hand. So, either player in the OP is allowed to ask to see the hand.
For me, it would appear that the rule is aimed for those that Bet out, get Called, then insta-Muck, and then want to see the winner's cards.

This rule would make it so that if the player that bet and got called wanted to see the winner's hand, he would have to show his hand.
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03-14-2015 , 10:06 AM
I know room rules vary, and players are particular about what they 'paid' or 'deserve' to see. I'm OK with just about any rule that a room has, so long as it's known and fairly applied.

Must show a valid hand to win a pot when equal money has been put in. Sure, I'm OK with that. Just be sure that all the dealers enforce it, so that a player who has seen a winner get pushed the pot at showdown, has also seen that winner show a valid hand.

Holding the last live hand is good enough to drag a pot. OK, that works too. Just table your entire hand if you want to see what V is holding.
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03-14-2015 , 10:55 AM
Player 2 is the last player with a live hand (because player 1 mucked) so he wins.
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03-14-2015 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by The Big K
I interpret (and imo the intent of the rule) this to mean, anyone who has cards at the start of showdown is allowed to ask to see the hand. So, either player in the OP is allowed to ask to see the hand.
You interpret wrong, it clearly says that if you muck face down you lose the right to ask to see the hand.
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