this is a bit tricky. if cards are retrievable, cards speak. else we table the beter's hand, and if it's bajunky, caller gets 100% of the pot. if the hand has decent showdown value, chopped pot imo. or at least that's how it should be.

I saw a similar scenario happen, but the one player's cards were unretrievable. Angler's hand ruled dead. It was chopped. Everyone bitched.

I disagree, kind of. I'm not interpreting it as an OR, rather, I'm interpreting "throw" loosely. I'm not intrepreting throw as in, you have to literally throw your hand in the muck or move it to the dealer, I'm interpreting "throw your hand away" as in, doing some sort of action that thus relinquishes your interest.

So, in my opinion, the rule looks like this:

1) Do some action THAT
2) Relinquishes your interest.

That's the way I interpret it. [Shrug]

Dealer Guy has nailed it. This is the right call for the right reasons. In addition, Player A is cautioned that future statements of concession will be binding.

Hindsight being what it is, Player B should say thank you and wait for the dealer to push him the pot. In an ideal world, since Player B called, he should immediately table his hand. Player A is angleshooting by trying to claim the pot after B mucks, but Player B is as well for trying to scoop without showing a called hand.

I believe that "You can have it" is a forfeiture so Player B shot the winning angle.

This kind of BS is what is running off new players and giving the game a bad reputation. If the called hand must always be tabled, problem solved. Poker can and should be an honorable game.

If both hands are still live then the dealer cannot award the pot without seeing both holecards of at least 1 player. So B cannot win if he mucks and A still has live cards. Also, if A announces "you can have it", B shows a hand that A beats, and A flips up a better hand, then A still would win the pot.

"you can have it" is not a muck or fold, just a way to anounce "you caught me bluffing"

"You can have it."

"Is that a fold, sir?"

This would be my automatic response (as a player) without giving it any thought whatsoever.

No "What are you doing?" or whatever.
Just a demand of the pot since his opponent's cards touched the muck.

Sure, he never intended to fake B into mucking his cards.

And I have a friend in the banking business in Nigeria I would like to introduce you to.

It was an angle 35 yrs ago when I started playing in cardrooms. It is still an angle.

Hey, I know a government offical in Nigeria. Maybe your buddy and my buddy know each other?

Next time you're sending your buddy money, let's put the checks in the same envelope and save some postage, okay?

When a player gets called that player must either table his hand or muck his hand. He doesn't have an option to show second. So whenever the last aggressor tries to make the caller show his hand first, this is an attempt to bypass a rule and it's an angle shoot.

They're trying to get information without having to give away any information. It's a really minor angle shoot but I still view it as one.

Player A shouldn't have said anything, he should table his hand or muck it. So just by not following the rules, he's shooting an angle that could potentionally give him the pot.


Can the phrase "You can have it" qualify as a muck/fold?

How about this situation:
Heads up pot, on the turn.

Player A: Bets
Player B: I raise X amount
Player A: "You can have it"

Would this qualify as a fold? or can he just sit there with his cards and wait for player B to muck. And if player B doesn't muck, can player A ship it?

B shouldn't have mucked. He lost all leverage.
I was playing at the Taj. Two players in the hand. The river comes and player A bets $350. Player B says "OK" but shoves nothing. Player A quickly shows his hand and player B mucks. Player A never got the $350 bet.

This. Amongst random people, "you can have it" means exactly zero.

There is no such thing as the "muck" if a player throws his cards face down toward the dealer they are dead.

Only if facing a bet. Not at showdown