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11-05-2016 , 06:00 PM

#51

Bladesman87

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 14,543

We might have a difference of opinion about what constitutes an obligation. Unless you mean there are places where the rule is to announce such things.

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11-05-2016 , 07:04 PM

#52

Freewill2112

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,372

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Originally Posted by FWWM

I don't see why the player who saw the hand should be required to share info with the floor/other players. Following that logic you would need to announce pretty much everything that you saw and other players might not have noticed

Such as physical tells / reads? In what way is that remotely comparable to the contents of a player's hand, which by rule must remain hidden from other players?

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11-05-2016 , 10:57 PM

#53

chief pot

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 327

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Originally Posted by albedoa

I've noticed that this distinction is already confusing the conversation. Some people are speaking specifically to the case where cards are clearly compromised, others are talking about when we take a player at his word that they were compromised, and still others are talking about both.

Regardless, I agree with everyone that Fore's approach is backwards. You are not protecting the integrity of the game by allowing one player to force the exposure of another's hand simply by claiming he saw it. What.

Howdy, I agree that the different circumstances completely change the situation and ruling, And that a players word on what they did or didn't see shouldn't have much merit

I was just getting at that a situation like in op, where cards are held vertical, that they should be exposed even if the opponent claims he didn't see them, like a dropped card. And that if a player reasonably protects his hand they shouldn't necessarily be exposed by an opponent claiming to see them.

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11-05-2016 , 11:25 PM

#54

chief pot

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 327

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Originally Posted by Freewill2112

Such as physical tells / reads? In what way is that remotely comparable to the contents of a player's hand, which by rule must remain hidden from other players?

I agree they are not comparable, one is information available to everyone the other is only attainable through unusual circumstances to one or more players, and should be disclosed whether they intentionally receive it or not. To not could be considered, I'm not sure the right word. But I'd find it comparable to knowing a card has been marked and using that information instead of disclosing it. You are not entitled to that information and certainly shouldn't feel privlaged to have it

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11-06-2016 , 12:19 PM

#55

FWWM

FOOT FF Fristion '15

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 12,927

I can see why seeing an actual hand is somewhat special, but at the end of the day this is no different to gaining any other info because opp wasnt careful enough to hide that info. Often times you see someone is already about to call/raise/fold before it's his turn but you only see that because you sit close to them, you wouldn't be able to see that if you sat across the table, it's just the luck of the draw.