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02-17-2010 , 05:32 AM
the AQ fold was so nitty in a pot w/ minieri and durrrr who are likely playing garbage hands
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02-17-2010 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by btoulany
LOL @ all u bum kids critiquing PH. not one of you micro stakes bums will EVER come close to doing what PH has done or to even play in the same games as him. when he tells people that they're not even in the same universe he's talking directly to you. you all sit here and critique him as if you have anything on PH...keep playing your 2NL and 3+.30 MTT's and stfu you ****in bums. it makes me sick how all of you ****in nerds sit here and bash great players who have done tons for the game that you know and love and who have accomplished 1000000X more than any of you ever will. none of you ****in tools have any right to bash any of these players...they're simply out of your league. all of you **** sit on your fat asses and **** on great live players with numerous titles and cashes under their belts (PH, AE, DN, MM, HL) and its ****ing sickening. 90 percent of you bums dont even know what real poker is. real poker isnt sitting your fat ass down in your ikea chair clicking away on 10 tables with penny limits (playing only NLHE loooool). get your fat asses into some real live poker events and see if any of you has what it takes to play with PH or any other of these live players and we'll see how much you'll be criticizing their plays when they felt you. you ****in losers sit here and cry and complain about how the young internet players are leagues ahead of any of the live players because youve played so many more hands due to multi tabling. **** off. since you've played so many more hands shouldn't you have made that much more money? well you haven't, so **** off, grow the **** up, stop crying, and know your place in the poker heirarchy. i'm not saying that i'm better than or even in the same league as any of these poker legends, but i'm not sitting here complaining about how horrible every move they make is either. you criticize PH because he explodes lol...how would you feel if you got drawn out on in a 200k pot? none of us will ever be good enough to have that kind of a roll so we'll never know, but when you get drawn out in your 4 dollar pots in 2NL (sorry...200BB!!!!!!!!) you smash your fat fists on your desk or fling your mouse across the room. if the donkey who did it to you were there you would want to say something too (but probably wouldn't because you're a fat pussy). you stupid ****in online bums dont even understand what playing live is like. you bitch kids blow up in the chat box but when PH has the balls to blow up in real life cause some idiot from northern europe makes praying calls against him just HOPING he had only a flush draw you point your fingers and say he played it sooo terribly and then **** on him for blowing up about it. if that happened to any of you ****in losers online you would rant in the chatbox, but that's alright? MM said it best when he described how players like PA and PI are feared so people are scared to put any bets/raises in against them but players like PH and MM have people calling 4 bets with T4o and **** like that and then outdrawing them just because they have targets on their heads. if any of the other great players played the J5s like PH did they wouldn't receive 10% of the **** that you tools give to PH, but because you forum posting micro stakes grinding idiots have put a target on PH's head and labeled him a donk who can do no good you will **** on him no matter what the outcome of any of his hands is. if he puts in a turn/river raise on AE with his K2s and loses you would all berate him for putting in such a stupid raise, but instead he makes an insane flat and loses the minimum yet you criticize the flat saying he should have raised LOL. you stupid ****in online idiots have noooo clue what it's like to play live. it's a totally different game. you only know the "situational" part of the game and have no idea what the "feel" part is like. you can't sense strength from an opponent online in the same way that you can live. anyone who has played live before knows what i'm talking about. PH has mastered this aspect of the game, which is an aspect that most of you don't even know exists and couldn't understand. all of you would go broke in that spot, because situationally, a K flush is miles ahead of AE's betting range, and you would have went broke in that hand. 99% of you would have gone broke in that hand with a ******ed over shove. this is why so many live pros complain about the state of poker today being an all in fest. its so easy when you're online to just shove all in that it has become the norm and took out so much of the skill and post flop play that poker offers in its truest form. it has reduced a large part of tournament poker to pure luck and coin flips. how else does an online idiot like joe cada win the ME lmfao. ******ed over shoves with baby pairs that only online players make. youre all a bunch of ****in tools imo, and the constant bickering and critiquing of PH is pure jealousy. none of you deserve to critique the man, so stfu, gtfo, and quickly reload in your 2NL game, then gfy
lol
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02-17-2010 , 07:01 AM
Phil Hellmuth is tall.




-Durrrr
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02-17-2010 , 07:13 AM
I think you have to give Hellmuth at least some credit for a good read in the pot with Esfandiari. Course it doesn't make much mathematical sense so I assume he was reading the player and not the situation.

Also, did anyone manage to get even 1/3 of the way through the great wall of btoulany?



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Originally Posted by btoulany
LOL @ all u bum kids critiquing PH. not one of you micro stakes bums will EVER come close to doing what PH has done or to even play in the same games as him. when he tells people that they're not even in the same universe he's talking directly to you. you all sit here and critique him as if you have anything on PH...keep playing your 2NL and 3+.30 MTT's and stfu you ****in bums. it makes me sick how all of you ****in nerds sit here and bash great players who have done tons for the game that you know and love and who have accomplished 1000000X more than any of you ever will. none of you ****in tools have any right to bash any of these players...they're simply out of your league. all of you **** sit on your fat asses and **** on great live players with numerous titles and cashes under their belts (PH, AE, DN, MM, HL) and its ****ing sickening. 90 percent of you bums dont even know what real poker is. real poker isnt sitting your fat ass down in your ikea chair clicking away on 10 tables with penny limits (playing only NLHE loooool). get your fat asses into some real live poker events and see if any of you has what it takes to play with PH or any other of these live players and we'll see how much you'll be criticizing their plays when they felt you. you ****in losers sit here and cry and complain about how the young internet players are leagues ahead of any of the live players because youve played so many more hands due to multi tabling. **** off. since you've played so many more hands shouldn't you have made that much more money? well you haven't, so **** off, grow the **** up, stop crying, and know your place in the poker heirarchy. i'm not saying that i'm better than or even in the same league as any of these poker legends, but i'm not sitting here complaining about how horrible every move they make is either. you criticize PH because he explodes lol...how would you feel if you got drawn out on in a 200k pot? none of us will ever be good enough to have that kind of a roll so we'll never know, but when you get drawn out in your 4 dollar pots in 2NL (sorry...200BB!!!!!!!!) you smash your fat fists on your desk or fling your mouse across the room. if the donkey who did it to you were there you would want to say something too (but probably wouldn't because you're a fat pussy). you stupid ****in online bums dont even understand what playing live is like. you bitch kids blow up in the chat box but when PH has the balls to blow up in real life cause some idiot from northern europe makes praying calls against him just HOPING he had only a flush draw you point your fingers and say he played it sooo terribly and then **** on him for blowing up about it. if that happened to any of you ****in losers online you would rant in the chatbox, but that's alright? MM said it best when he described how players like PA and PI are feared so people are scared to put any bets/raises in against them but players like PH and MM have people calling 4 bets with T4o and **** like that and then outdrawing them just because they have targets on their heads. if any of the other great players played the J5s like PH did they wouldn't receive 10% of the **** that you tools give to PH, but because you forum posting micro stakes grinding idiots have put a target on PH's head and labeled him a donk who can do no good you will **** on him no matter what the outcome of any of his hands is. if he puts in a turn/river raise on AE with his K2s and loses you would all berate him for putting in such a stupid raise, but instead he makes an insane flat and loses the minimum yet you criticize the flat saying he should have raised LOL. you stupid ****in online idiots have noooo clue what it's like to play live. it's a totally different game. you only know the "situational" part of the game and have no idea what the "feel" part is like. you can't sense strength from an opponent online in the same way that you can live. anyone who has played live before knows what i'm talking about. PH has mastered this aspect of the game, which is an aspect that most of you don't even know exists and couldn't understand. all of you would go broke in that spot, because situationally, a K flush is miles ahead of AE's betting range, and you would have went broke in that hand. 99% of you would have gone broke in that hand with a ******ed over shove. this is why so many live pros complain about the state of poker today being an all in fest. its so easy when you're online to just shove all in that it has become the norm and took out so much of the skill and post flop play that poker offers in its truest form. it has reduced a large part of tournament poker to pure luck and coin flips. how else does an online idiot like joe cada win the ME lmfao. ******ed over shoves with baby pairs that only online players make. youre all a bunch of ****in tools imo, and the constant bickering and critiquing of PH is pure jealousy. none of you deserve to critique the man, so stfu, gtfo, and quickly reload in your 2NL game, then gfy
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02-17-2010 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by WillieWin?

Also, did anyone manage to get even 1/3 of the way through the great wall of btoulany?
I was thinking about doing something nice for awhile and make cliffnotes out of that wall of text but halfway through I decided that it must be a level.

edit: ok I really had nothing else to do so here are cliff notes for those who are interested:

- lol @ the kids on the internet critiquing hellmuth who has accomplished so much more than any of us

- online poker isn't real poker, live poker is

- we shouldn't complain about Hellmuth's antics because we don't know how it feels like to lose 200k

- Matusow and Hellmuth are geniouses because they get people to make bad plays against them due to their antics. people don't make those same plays against Ivey or Antonius because they are afraid to play with them

-If someone else made the same bad plays we wouldn't be critiquing them as much

- Online players suck because they don't understand the "feel" part of the game

- Aggressive online players have taken the skill out of tournament poker because there are so many all ins before the flop

Last edited by sokiraJ; 02-17-2010 at 07:39 AM.
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02-17-2010 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by btoulany
LOL @ all u bum kids critiquing PH. not one of you micro stakes bums will EVER come close to doing what PH has done or to even play in the same games as him. when he tells people that they're not even in the same universe he's talking directly to you. you all sit here and critique him as if you have anything on PH...keep playing your 2NL and 3+.30 MTT's and stfu you ****in bums. it makes me sick how all of you ****in nerds sit here and bash great players who have done tons for the game that you know and love and who have accomplished 1000000X more than any of you ever will. none of you ****in tools have any right to bash any of these players...they're simply out of your league. all of you **** sit on your fat asses and **** on great live players with numerous titles and cashes under their belts (PH, AE, DN, MM, HL) and its ****ing sickening. 90 percent of you bums dont even know what real poker is. real poker isnt sitting your fat ass down in your ikea chair clicking away on 10 tables with penny limits (playing only NLHE loooool). get your fat asses into some real live poker events and see if any of you has what it takes to play with PH or any other of these live players and we'll see how much you'll be criticizing their plays when they felt you. you ****in losers sit here and cry and complain about how the young internet players are leagues ahead of any of the live players because youve played so many more hands due to multi tabling. **** off. since you've played so many more hands shouldn't you have made that much more money? well you haven't, so **** off, grow the **** up, stop crying, and know your place in the poker heirarchy. i'm not saying that i'm better than or even in the same league as any of these poker legends, but i'm not sitting here complaining about how horrible every move they make is either. you criticize PH because he explodes lol...how would you feel if you got drawn out on in a 200k pot? none of us will ever be good enough to have that kind of a roll so we'll never know, but when you get drawn out in your 4 dollar pots in 2NL (sorry...200BB!!!!!!!!) you smash your fat fists on your desk or fling your mouse across the room. if the donkey who did it to you were there you would want to say something too (but probably wouldn't because you're a fat pussy). you stupid ****in online bums dont even understand what playing live is like. you bitch kids blow up in the chat box but when PH has the balls to blow up in real life cause some idiot from northern europe makes praying calls against him just HOPING he had only a flush draw you point your fingers and say he played it sooo terribly and then **** on him for blowing up about it. if that happened to any of you ****in losers online you would rant in the chatbox, but that's alright? MM said it best when he described how players like PA and PI are feared so people are scared to put any bets/raises in against them but players like PH and MM have people calling 4 bets with T4o and **** like that and then outdrawing them just because they have targets on their heads. if any of the other great players played the J5s like PH did they wouldn't receive 10% of the **** that you tools give to PH, but because you forum posting micro stakes grinding idiots have put a target on PH's head and labeled him a donk who can do no good you will **** on him no matter what the outcome of any of his hands is. if he puts in a turn/river raise on AE with his K2s and loses you would all berate him for putting in such a stupid raise, but instead he makes an insane flat and loses the minimum yet you criticize the flat saying he should have raised LOL. you stupid ****in online idiots have noooo clue what it's like to play live. it's a totally different game. you only know the "situational" part of the game and have no idea what the "feel" part is like. you can't sense strength from an opponent online in the same way that you can live. anyone who has played live before knows what i'm talking about. PH has mastered this aspect of the game, which is an aspect that most of you don't even know exists and couldn't understand. all of you would go broke in that spot, because situationally, a K flush is miles ahead of AE's betting range, and you would have went broke in that hand. 99% of you would have gone broke in that hand with a ******ed over shove. this is why so many live pros complain about the state of poker today being an all in fest. its so easy when you're online to just shove all in that it has become the norm and took out so much of the skill and post flop play that poker offers in its truest form. it has reduced a large part of tournament poker to pure luck and coin flips. how else does an online idiot like joe cada win the ME lmfao. ******ed over shoves with baby pairs that only online players make. youre all a bunch of ****in tools imo, and the constant bickering and critiquing of PH is pure jealousy. none of you deserve to critique the man, so stfu, gtfo, and quickly reload in your 2NL game, then gfy
Hillarious post and I only read the first two words and gave up.

Go back to school you inbred hick.
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02-17-2010 , 07:46 AM
Paragraphs are your friend. :-) Nice, one long run-on sentence, lol.
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02-17-2010 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by blehhhh
Hillarious post and I only read the first two words and gave up.

Go back to school you inbred hick.
lol I got to the second sentence and then quit reading.
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02-17-2010 , 09:32 AM
Like TD said in the episode, an entire series of HSP is equivalent to about 15 minutes online. With the 2+2 fetish for "significant" sample sizes, why do people form so many conclusions from these few hands?
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02-17-2010 , 12:09 PM
Criticizing the greatest holdem tournament player in the world, is so so so embarrassing. Nobody cares if he can compete or not, he is still the greatest, and his stats are flat out sick.


No Pro has ever done what PH did in the last 20 years. The best live tournament results in the history of poker and it's not even close.
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02-17-2010 , 01:18 PM
He's also played more tournaments than anyone else in history. By far and it's not even close.
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02-17-2010 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by btoulany
Then PH has the balls to blow up in real life cause some idiot from northern europe makes praying calls against him
Haven't read all, but this part confirms it's a joke post.

You gave it away, dude.
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02-17-2010 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
If only he was an ABC player he might actually grind a profit. Unfortunately he seems so obsessed with outwitting other pros that he has turned into a reverse player. Limping with strong hands, raising with weak etc. Post-flop he seems to raise with medium value hands and check call with strong hands.
This. He usually starts off with his weak-tight style(folding AQ, lol), and then goes on tilt within a few hands and then plays garbage like K2s and J5s just to prove he can when he doesn't have the skills or experience to do either profitably.

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Originally Posted by ReefinUp
Criticizing the greatest holdem tournament player in the world, is so so so embarrassing. Nobody cares if he can compete or not, he is still the greatest, and his stats are flat out sick.


No Pro has ever done what PH did in the last 20 years. The best live tournament results in the history of poker and it's not even close.
So you really believe that if Hellmuth bought into a deep-stacked tournament containing 100 of the greatest players ever he would even cash, much less win? You're delusional.
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02-17-2010 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkFloyd510
This. He usually starts off with his weak-tight style(folding AQ, lol), and then goes on tilt within a few hands and then plays garbage like K2s and J5s just to prove he can when he doesn't have the skills or experience to do either profitably.



So you really believe that if Hellmuth bought into a deep-stacked tournament containing 100 of the greatest players ever he would even cash, much less win? You're delusional.
YOU ARE DELUSIONAL

Hellmuth won the poker hall of fame against the greatest, he won the ME when only the best of the best played, one of the toughest field ever in the Main Event. He has pretty decent stats in the WPT with a couple of final tables. So next time I'd suggest u go and check some stats before posting ****
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02-17-2010 , 02:46 PM
I wonder what would have happened in his last hand if the turn had of been Ax rather than Kx
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02-17-2010 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by btoulany
LOL @ all u bum kids critiquing PH. not one of you micro stakes bums will EVER come close to doing what PH has done or to even play in the same games as him. when he tells people that they're not even in the same universe he's talking directly to you. you all sit here and critique him as if you have anything on PH...keep playing your 2NL and 3+.30 MTT's and stfu you ****in bums. it makes me sick how all of you ****in nerds sit here and bash great players who have done tons for the game that you know and love and who have accomplished 1000000X more than any of you ever will. none of you ****in tools have any right to bash any of these players...they're simply out of your league. all of you **** sit on your fat asses and **** on great live players with numerous titles and cashes under their belts (PH, AE, DN, MM, HL) and its ****ing sickening. 90 percent of you bums dont even know what real poker is. real poker isnt sitting your fat ass down in your ikea chair clicking away on 10 tables with penny limits (playing only NLHE loooool). get your fat asses into some real live poker events and see if any of you has what it takes to play with PH or any other of these live players and we'll see how much you'll be criticizing their plays when they felt you. you ****in losers sit here and cry and complain about how the young internet players are leagues ahead of any of the live players because youve played so many more hands due to multi tabling. **** off. since you've played so many more hands shouldn't you have made that much more money? well you haven't, so **** off, grow the **** up, stop crying, and know your place in the poker heirarchy. i'm not saying that i'm better than or even in the same league as any of these poker legends, but i'm not sitting here complaining about how horrible every move they make is either. you criticize PH because he explodes lol...how would you feel if you got drawn out on in a 200k pot? none of us will ever be good enough to have that kind of a roll so we'll never know, but when you get drawn out in your 4 dollar pots in 2NL (sorry...200BB!!!!!!!!) you smash your fat fists on your desk or fling your mouse across the room. if the donkey who did it to you were there you would want to say something too (but probably wouldn't because you're a fat pussy). you stupid ****in online bums dont even understand what playing live is like. you bitch kids blow up in the chat box but when PH has the balls to blow up in real life cause some idiot from northern europe makes praying calls against him just HOPING he had only a flush draw you point your fingers and say he played it sooo terribly and then **** on him for blowing up about it. if that happened to any of you ****in losers online you would rant in the chatbox, but that's alright? MM said it best when he described how players like PA and PI are feared so people are scared to put any bets/raises in against them but players like PH and MM have people calling 4 bets with T4o and **** like that and then outdrawing them just because they have targets on their heads. if any of the other great players played the J5s like PH did they wouldn't receive 10% of the **** that you tools give to PH, but because you forum posting micro stakes grinding idiots have put a target on PH's head and labeled him a donk who can do no good you will **** on him no matter what the outcome of any of his hands is. if he puts in a turn/river raise on AE with his K2s and loses you would all berate him for putting in such a stupid raise, but instead he makes an insane flat and loses the minimum yet you criticize the flat saying he should have raised LOL. you stupid ****in online idiots have noooo clue what it's like to play live. it's a totally different game. you only know the "situational" part of the game and have no idea what the "feel" part is like. you can't sense strength from an opponent online in the same way that you can live. anyone who has played live before knows what i'm talking about. PH has mastered this aspect of the game, which is an aspect that most of you don't even know exists and couldn't understand. all of you would go broke in that spot, because situationally, a K flush is miles ahead of AE's betting range, and you would have went broke in that hand. 99% of you would have gone broke in that hand with a ******ed over shove. this is why so many live pros complain about the state of poker today being an all in fest. its so easy when you're online to just shove all in that it has become the norm and took out so much of the skill and post flop play that poker offers in its truest form. it has reduced a large part of tournament poker to pure luck and coin flips. how else does an online idiot like joe cada win the ME lmfao. ******ed over shoves with baby pairs that only online players make. youre all a bunch of ****in tools imo, and the constant bickering and critiquing of PH is pure jealousy. none of you deserve to critique the man, so stfu, gtfo, and quickly reload in your 2NL game, then gfy
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02-17-2010 , 02:55 PM
Great Rournament Player? Maybe he was. The competition was limited.
Great Cash Game Player? Certainly not on any program I have ever seen.

World's biggest douchebag? Always was, and always will be.
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02-17-2010 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Veil
This is a common response. I'll try to give my honest critique on Phil's performance:


Hand #1 : Had A/J off in bb - Hoivold raises, everyone folds. If he even had a remotely passing interest in how Hoivold plays (he really should obviously) - then he has to know he should be reraising the A/J here. Once he doesn't, he then goes ahead and continues weak play by c/fing drab flop.

Hand #2: Gets A/Qo. Nice little run. Faces race by dwan (lol like any two range) and re-raise by Dario (double lol - knows Dwan has any two so likely to be light). Even if Dario has a bit of a hand, Hellmuth should be using his tight image to his adv and 4betting. Very fundamental and great 4bet spot actually which is going to work such a high % of the time. Even if one or both call he's gonna be ahead a good amount too. Even calling the 3bet isn't that bad. Folding is terrible. He folded.

Hand #3: Has AQs on the button and it folds to him! Xmas or what! He limps.... way to get value or try to actually win a pot w/o showdown. Let's both in. Flop comes pretty uneventful. Floats Ivey with ace high. Turn changes nothing. Ivey fires again. Hellmuth could raise here and rep huge strength, yeah? He folds. Well this wasn't hugely terrible I guess, but preflop obviously was.

Hand #4: Gets A/Jo. Whoa, he's running bad? Hand after hand. They edit a lot but this is still pretty sick. Runs into QQ but he decides to 4bet 1/4 of his stack against Ivey (who is not gonna make an error here)....with A/J.. I don't get it. Was he bluffing. I guess cos he then folds even though he put Ivey on 8/9s if he was serious. This was just dreadful. A hand like A/J oop against Ivey is def the time to actually play his pussy style. But ironically now starts to show aggression at the absolute worst spot.

Hand #5: K/2s . 3rd limper. Alright, not a huge fan, but okay. 6 handed to flop and flops 2nd nut flush draw. He should really be like raising this probably. But okay he calls. Now flush comes and he small balls it? wtf was his plan? Get it bloody in. If antonio had -like a J high flush, this would be like Tilly-checking-back bad levels. But then again, Hellmuth's image is so nitty that Antonio could possibly actually get away from a medium to small flush. That goes to show how bad Hellmuth is though, if he can't even cooler someone with king high flushes.

Hand #6: Has j/5s and raises durrs limp..to 2k. Um, why exactly? This is his way of trying to be loose and active I guess. It's so awkward. He's just building a pot 4 handed with j/5 for no reason. He flops a monster. Kinda standard to get it in. Although ironically this isn't a terrible spot for him to pussy small ball it. But not a big deal.


So those are the hands. I don't see where he played even remotely decent at all.
excellent post, sir. agree 100%
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02-17-2010 , 03:49 PM
Phil Hellmuth Jr. tells us all that his problem is lack of focus on PEMM, not skill.

http://philhellmuth.com/news/poker-blog/?id=2987

Daniel Negranau tells us all that the Phil Helmuth old school style just doesn't cut it anymore.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...t_from=&ucat=&

PHjr tells us that he is the best in the world, and suffers from bad luck.
DN tells us that his game is not at the same level of the elite players, but he is learning from them.
PHjr cannot believe that an idiot from northern europe should be able to beat him
DN is from Canada, more of a southerly direction, but still Canada.
PHjr won the main event in 1989 against 178 entrants
I took 3rd in a stars 180 man $12 buy in last night
DN has horribly dropped to 2nd on the all time money list behind the person who is arguably the best all round poker player in the world

Perhaps results should speak for themselves? History is nice, but what the do currently should be the measure of ongoing success.
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02-17-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtlad
Phil Hellmuth Jr. tells us all that his problem is lack of focus on PEMM, not skill.

http://philhellmuth.com/news/poker-blog/?id=2987

Daniel Negranau tells us all that the Phil Helmuth old school style just doesn't cut it anymore.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...t_from=&ucat=&

PHjr tells us that he is the best in the world, and suffers from bad luck.
DN tells us that his game is not at the same level of the elite players, but he is learning from them.
PHjr cannot believe that an idiot from northern europe should be able to beat him
DN is from Canada, more of a southerly direction, but still Canada.
PHjr won the main event in 1989 against 178 entrants
I took 3rd in a stars 180 man $12 buy in last night

DN has horribly dropped to 2nd on the all time money list behind the person who is arguably the best all round poker player in the world

Perhaps results should speak for themselves? History is nice, but what the do currently should be the measure of ongoing success.

OMG the biggest level in the history of 2p2.

UNBELIEVABLE
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02-17-2010 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by btoulany
LOL @ all u bum kids critiquing PH. not one of you micro stakes bums will EVER come close to doing what PH has done or to even play in the same games as him. when he tells people that they're not even in the same universe he's talking directly to you. you all sit here and critique him as if you have anything on PH...keep playing your 2NL and 3+.30 MTT's and stfu you ****in bums. it makes me sick how all of you ****in nerds sit here and bash great players who have done tons for the game that you know and love and who have accomplished 1000000X more than any of you ever will. none of you ****in tools have any right to bash any of these players...they're simply out of your league. all of you **** sit on your fat asses and **** on great live players with numerous titles and cashes under their belts (PH, AE, DN, MM, HL) and its ****ing sickening. 90 percent of you bums dont even know what real poker is. real poker isnt sitting your fat ass down in your ikea chair clicking away on 10 tables with penny limits (playing only NLHE loooool). get your fat asses into some real live poker events and see if any of you has what it takes to play with PH or any other of these live players and we'll see how much you'll be criticizing their plays when they felt you. you ****in losers sit here and cry and complain about how the young internet players are leagues ahead of any of the live players because youve played so many more hands due to multi tabling. **** off. since you've played so many more hands shouldn't you have made that much more money? well you haven't, so **** off, grow the **** up, stop crying, and know your place in the poker heirarchy. i'm not saying that i'm better than or even in the same league as any of these poker legends, but i'm not sitting here complaining about how horrible every move they make is either. you criticize PH because he explodes lol...how would you feel if you got drawn out on in a 200k pot? none of us will ever be good enough to have that kind of a roll so we'll never know, but when you get drawn out in your 4 dollar pots in 2NL (sorry...200BB!!!!!!!!) you smash your fat fists on your desk or fling your mouse across the room. if the donkey who did it to you were there you would want to say something too (but probably wouldn't because you're a fat pussy). you stupid ****in online bums dont even understand what playing live is like. you bitch kids blow up in the chat box but when PH has the balls to blow up in real life cause some idiot from northern europe makes praying calls against him just HOPING he had only a flush draw you point your fingers and say he played it sooo terribly and then **** on him for blowing up about it. if that happened to any of you ****in losers online you would rant in the chatbox, but that's alright? MM said it best when he described how players like PA and PI are feared so people are scared to put any bets/raises in against them but players like PH and MM have people calling 4 bets with T4o and **** like that and then outdrawing them just because they have targets on their heads. if any of the other great players played the J5s like PH did they wouldn't receive 10% of the **** that you tools give to PH, but because you forum posting micro stakes grinding idiots have put a target on PH's head and labeled him a donk who can do no good you will **** on him no matter what the outcome of any of his hands is. if he puts in a turn/river raise on AE with his K2s and loses you would all berate him for putting in such a stupid raise, but instead he makes an insane flat and loses the minimum yet you criticize the flat saying he should have raised LOL. you stupid ****in online idiots have noooo clue what it's like to play live. it's a totally different game. you only know the "situational" part of the game and have no idea what the "feel" part is like. you can't sense strength from an opponent online in the same way that you can live. anyone who has played live before knows what i'm talking about. PH has mastered this aspect of the game, which is an aspect that most of you don't even know exists and couldn't understand. all of you would go broke in that spot, because situationally, a K flush is miles ahead of AE's betting range, and you would have went broke in that hand. 99% of you would have gone broke in that hand with a ******ed over shove. this is why so many live pros complain about the state of poker today being an all in fest. its so easy when you're online to just shove all in that it has become the norm and took out so much of the skill and post flop play that poker offers in its truest form. it has reduced a large part of tournament poker to pure luck and coin flips. how else does an online idiot like joe cada win the ME lmfao. ******ed over shoves with baby pairs that only online players make. youre all a bunch of ****in tools imo, and the constant bickering and critiquing of PH is pure jealousy. none of you deserve to critique the man, so stfu, gtfo, and quickly reload in your 2NL game, then gfy
Wow. Phil, you can't let your agent hit the sauce after you bust out.
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02-17-2010 , 05:02 PM
so much leveling ITT. hard to distinguish between the trolls and the hellmuth fanboys
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02-17-2010 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lars1
so much leveling ITT. hard to distinguish between the trolls and the hellmuth fanboys
from northern europe
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02-17-2010 , 05:39 PM
FWIW I think Daniel was spot on in his blog. Hellmuth needs to sit back and maybe take some time off and just rethink his game. He's so out of touch it's unreal. I really like Hellmuth, he was one of the reasons I started following poker. When I first started playing I used to think that trying to trap someone was the ultimate way to win in Hold 'Em, but it just isn't the case.

I would like to see Hellmuth alter to the new climate, but his ego is just way too big to ever absorb what he needs to.
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02-17-2010 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sjm44
FWIW I think Daniel was spot on in his blog. Hellmuth needs to sit back and maybe take some time off and just rethink his game. He's so out of touch it's unreal. I really like Hellmuth, he was one of the reasons I started following poker. When I first started playing I used to think that trying to trap someone was the ultimate way to win in Hold 'Em, but it just isn't the case.

I would like to see Hellmuth alter to the new climate, but his ego is just way too big to ever absorb what he needs to.
TBH Daniel Negreanu is way more outdated than PH.

WHat did Negreanu win after the boom??? How many bracelets or tournaments???

Just one second place in the WSOPE, that was his biggest achievement after 2003. He struggled every episode of HSP, in every show of PAD, he played horribly bad, he busted out in Day 1 of the Main Event for consecutive years, he can't compete, it's simple.

While Hellmuth won 4 bracelets and had excellent runs in the Main Event including a 45th place in 2008, Negreanu failed in every format.

So I laughed at his blog and his criticz towards Hellmuth being outdated.


Irony 100%
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