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11-14-2011 , 08:20 AM
I have the tendency sometimes to HNR after a big score in live NL. The last couple of times I hit a very big hand in my 1st orbit then bailed. Some of it has to do with my not wanting a lot of chips on the table where I could lose them all to other deep stacks. But regardless of my motives, I sometimes sense that a couple people at the table get pissed...especially the one(s) I took money from.

Should I feel badly about HNR? Is it kind of bad etiquette or totally cool? Just curious.
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11-14-2011 , 08:24 AM
Obviously it's terrible etiquette.
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11-14-2011 , 08:31 AM
Its obviosuly not cool.

Would you like if someone did the same to you. especially if your bankroll is running low and this **** runs from the table after getting lucky early on.

Theres nothing stopping it.In my home game when we play cash we have a rule where you have to announce an hour beforehand that you want to quit.Obviously nothing stopping them from leaving but if they do beforehand they arnt welcome back
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11-14-2011 , 08:35 AM
My opinion is that this is not for NVG.
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11-14-2011 , 08:40 AM
"A man should never need an excuse to leave a poker game, whether he's winning or losing." Doyle Brunson
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11-14-2011 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JMAA
I have the tendency sometimes to HNR after a big score in live NL. The last couple of times I hit a very big hand in my 1st orbit then bailed. Some of it has to do with my not wanting a lot of chips on the table where I could lose them all to other deep stacks. But regardless of my motives, I sometimes sense that a couple people at the table get pissed...especially the one(s) I took money from.

Should I feel badly about HNR? Is it kind of bad etiquette or totally cool? Just curious.
A lot of posts will probably follow this telling you how its 'uncool', 'unethical' and you shouldnt do it.
They are all wrong. It is your money, and your decision. Poker is played by most to try to make money. There is no rule in any poker room that says you have to play more than a single hand.
If you want to leave, leave. The people that are pissed are trying to make money. They don't like to see anyone leave, because it's money they might have been able to win.
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11-14-2011 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rzitup
There is no rule in any poker room that says you have to play more than a single hand.
OP didn't ask if it was against the rules.
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11-14-2011 , 08:49 AM
it's not a way to make friends so it depends if you care or not, and if you're a reg?
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11-14-2011 , 08:49 AM
Its something i see alot, a bit douchey but not unethical or out and out wrong imo. It would hardly hurt to play a couple of more orbits and not make the HnR so obvious though even if you arent planning on playing many hands.
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11-14-2011 , 08:56 AM
Who cares what the other people think. they only think it is uncool because they are stupid and tilted to have lost a pot
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11-14-2011 , 09:00 AM
i have always wondered about this. say you go to your local casino with $500 to play 1-2 nl . you sit down and buy in for $250. first hand you get it in with aces vs. kings vs ak and triple up.you have now doubled what you came with. now when you left your house you would ave been overjoyed to double your roll. well now your there. do you leave?
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11-14-2011 , 09:08 AM
If you use certain bankroll mgmt strategies you can be compelled by the math the HNR, so don't feel bad.

If you can only risk, just for example, 5% of your BR and then you double up, well then you're violating your BR Mgmt strategy as now you would be risking 9.5%:

$100, can risk $5. You immediately double, now you have $105 in your BR and $10 at risk, or 9.5%.

This happens to me if I move up in stakes exactly at the first opportunity instead of waiting until I have a bit of a buffer zone. To avoid it, just play lower for a while longer until you have a bit more of a buffer between what you have and your prefered Buy-In percentage. In keeping with my example above, just wait until $10 in front of you would be 5% of your BR or less to move up...or a BR of $200. This also allows for a lower chance at going broke given the stakes are the same but the BR is double what it could be.

Bottom line, it's your money, etiquette or not. I've done it before and thought "I'm not violating my BR Mgmt to look gracious, F them." Afterall, are they buying you back in when you lose? NOPE!
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11-14-2011 , 09:11 AM
I wouldn't hit and run live imo. When you win a big pot it just makes the table more juicy as a bunch of gamblers look to get back their money.
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11-14-2011 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by loumike
i have always wondered about this. say you go to your local casino with $500 to play 1-2 nl . you sit down and buy in for $250. first hand you get it in with aces vs. kings vs ak and triple up.you have now doubled what you came with. now when you left your house you would ave been overjoyed to double your roll. well now your there. do you leave?
Depends, are you playing poker for a living or just a gambling degen?
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11-14-2011 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kralex
Depends, are you playing poker for a living or just a gambling degen?
+1 depends on what situation your in, If i win a big pot and feel like celebrating ill leave but if i want to get my grind on then ill stay simple as that
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11-14-2011 , 09:52 AM
Just sit and fold a couple of rounds, order a drink and enjoy the win, limp fold a couple of hands. This will keep you from getting those bad vibes and keep the other players from labeling you as a HNR guy. IMO of course...
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11-14-2011 , 10:03 AM
I think its poor etiquette overall but you aren't there to make friends, so do whatever you want.

Chris Ferguson has a rule when discussing bankroll management that if the amount of money on the table equals or exceeds 10% of your bankroll, you get up and leave (unless you are CLEARLY able to BEAT the game on a continuous basis).
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11-14-2011 , 10:47 AM
IMHO, it's all situational. Let's say it's a 1/3 NL table with a min buy-in of 100 and a max buy-in of 300. You buy in for 300 and double-up. You look around the table that you have 600 while everyone else is nursing an $80 stack. Screw it and leave.

Now, let's say it's the same game, you bought in for $100 and are the short stack at the table. You double up, and looking around the table, you now have an average or below-average stack. You'd be foolish to leave unless you couldn't afford to lose that first $100 anyway, in which case you should have never sat down.

The third situation is a miracle, but for giggles we'll discuss it. You bought into the same table for $100. You manage to get win a multi-way pot of $600. If you're so cheap as to only buy in for the minimum, you probably play either short-stack strategy or simply play above your means. Grab the money and run. Find out how long you have to sit out before you can join again for a more normal buy-in. At my casino, it's 2 hours. I can pull money off no-limit and play limit without waiting, but I have to either change "games" (not tables) or change stakes (and 1/3 is the only stake running most of the time) to be able to put money in my pocket without sitting out for 2 hours. However, if I buy in for 300 or 500 and get up to over double my original buy-in, I'll often want to protect my winnings.
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11-14-2011 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JMAA
Should I feel badly about HNR? Is it kind of bad etiquette or totally cool? Just curious.
For people who don't play well shorthanded, it would be rational to get up and leave when the table gets shorthanded.

For people who don't play well deep stacked, it would be rational to get up and leave when they get deep.

Other people might get unhappy with you in each situation. You just have to decide how much EV you're willing to trade to prevent the reputation hit.
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11-14-2011 , 12:20 PM
The hit-n-run mentality is just style of small minded people. Its very similar to the small stack chumps. In both cases its some chump hoping for a score, once they get a double up a lot of times they leave, but in both cases feel like they really did something...and so proud of thierself -in thier little mind.

The reality is that they didn't do much. Winning ONE hand doesn't accomplish much in a poker game. 99.9% of these small minded people play small stakes, so lets look at the actual dollar amounts. A) Small stack chump -Buy in for $60 -$80 in a 1/2 game....they just "won" $60-$80, so now they have $120-$160...big flipping deal. B) The hit-n-run chump, just "won" what they think is a BIG pot, lets say the pot is $350, it started with 4 way action, then 3 ways, and ended heads up on the river, the net "win" from this pot might be $150...so proud of thier self to "win" $150 bucks, OMG....its $150 bucks!

So in both of these examples these types of players did "win" a few bucks, however they did NOT nessesarily play good poker, they certainly didn't learn anything about the game or gain education to become a better player, they didn't play deep stacked and/or truly have an opportunty to win a serious dollar amount, they can't really have an expectation of doing this consistently because it takes a large amount of luck -luck that they get really good cards AND someone else just happens to have a good hand at the same time AND will put some money in the pot...in all reality they cheated thier self and with this small minded mentality will always be broke and never learn the game of poker. I honestly don't really mind these types of *player* because I see them for exactly what they are....they are NOT poker players, they just a chump hoping for a score, and I certainly won't see them in an advanced game for larger dollar amounts...which is too bad

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11-14-2011 , 12:36 PM
In my opinion, more than any other consideration is the consideration of if you are a regular in the room you are playing in.

If you aren't (and aren't looking to become one) then HnR. You have no reason to care.

However, if you are (or are looking to play there more regularly), then you will quickly gain a reputation by the other regs and people will go out of their way to not give you action AND potentially block others from giving you action as well.

There was a guy who used to do this at my home Casino. He'd double up early on, and then leave. Come back 2 hours later and rebuy in for his original stake. After a time his reputation was destroyed and there are still many regulars who hate this guy and will actually do things to ruin his action, ensure rulings go against him etc.... 3 years later.
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11-14-2011 , 12:47 PM
If you sucked out, stay on the ****in table or you might get stabbed to death.
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11-14-2011 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cetacean
For people who don't play well shorthanded, it would be rational to get up and leave when the table gets shorthanded.

For people who don't play well deep stacked, it would be rational to get up and leave when they get deep.

Other people might get unhappy with you in each situation. You just have to decide how much EV you're willing to trade to prevent the reputation hit.
Holy epic firstpostaments after 5+ years.

Meh, I guess playing online has me meh on this subject. People are free to do whatever they like, however I better not see this guy at my table again until at least an hour has passed, if he wants to come back and play without his winnings.
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11-14-2011 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OklaHustler
Just sit and fold a couple of rounds, order a drink and enjoy the win, limp fold a couple of hands. This will keep you from getting those bad vibes and keep the other players from labeling you as a HNR guy. IMO of course...
This.

Personally it wouldn't bother me what people thought, but I equally see no harm in sitting back for a while and hanging out.

You could always do the old "fake phone call, oh no I have to go" routine
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11-14-2011 , 01:14 PM
If the player pool for the game is small, then there could be long-term harm for hit-and-running, at least if it's done consistently. Otherwise, the only thing you should be concerned about is your money.
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