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NEW Poker After Dark - Week of July 21 - Nets v. Vets discussion thread and poll

View Poll Results: Who Will Win "Nets v. Vets"?

Brian "sbrugby" Townsend

48 15.58%

Doyle Brunson

33 10.71%

Tom "Durrr" Dwan

95 30.84%

Johnny Chan

54 17.53%

Huck Seed

69 22.40%

Andrew "good2cu" Robl

9 2.92%

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07-27-2008 , 07:47 PM

#376

Devilboy666

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

Tom Dwan is a good cash game player but he has no clue when it comes to tournaments. Moving in with KJ was an awful play.

What do you do in that spot OOP with KJ? Just call? Play a pot out of position? And then just check-fold when you don't flop a pair?

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07-27-2008 , 07:53 PM

#377

poppoppoq

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you fold 100%. KJ is a trash hand

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07-27-2008 , 08:05 PM

#378

Devilboy666

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

you fold 100%. KJ is a trash hand

How do you justify that? What do you think is Doyle's opening range there?

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07-27-2008 , 08:10 PM

#379

cres

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Originally Posted by Devilboy666

What do you do in that spot OOP with KJ? Just call? Play a pot out of position? And then just check-fold when you don't flop a pair?

Ah yeah. There is no shame in folding on the flop. Live to fight another day.

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07-27-2008 , 08:28 PM

#380

Paulie Walnuts

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"Nah not me. Everytime I get KJo in the small blind I go all-in. I mean no need to factor in the old man raising has been playing pretty tight solid poker and don't even bother to study him for strength tells/mannerisms nah I just go all-in every time and donk off my money. It's a no brainer cuz the push chart told me to do it."

-random 2+2 $11 +1 sit-ngo champ

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07-27-2008 , 09:43 PM

#381

Kirbynator

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

youre really a terrible poster

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07-27-2008 , 10:08 PM

#382

futuredoc85

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

pretty sure any $11 SNG winner is better than you at tournaments if your posts in this thread reflect your actual feelings about the hand.

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07-27-2008 , 10:21 PM

#383

poppoppoq

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All i know is I hope Dwan is at my tournament table the next time he goes all-in with KJo

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07-27-2008 , 10:28 PM

#384

Devilboy666

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

All i know is I hope Dwan is at my tournament table the next time he goes all-in with KJo

If your button opening range 4 handed with 25 BB is so small that folding KJ in the SB is the correct play then you must be so tight that only dogs can hear you fart.

I still want to hear what you think Doyle's opening range is there.

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07-27-2008 , 11:41 PM

#385

poppoppoq

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Even if Doyle had Ace rag or small pocket pair Dwan was the underdog. Why put all your chips at risk in that situation? I think he should have waited for a better spot.

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07-27-2008 , 11:43 PM

#386

Devilboy666

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

Even if Doyle had Ace rag or small pocket pair Dwan was the underdog. Why put all your chips at risk in that situation? I think he should have waited for a better spot.

I can see the argument for just calling but folding? Really?

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07-27-2008 , 11:45 PM

#387

Divinevert

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

Even if Doyle had Ace rag or small pocket pair Dwan was the underdog. Why put all your chips at risk in that situation? I think he should have waited for a better spot.

Doyle would fold and Dwan would scoop the pot...

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07-27-2008 , 11:50 PM

#388

CRUDEFINDER

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Unless I have a read telling me otherwise, I fold KJ in that spot all day long. But admittedly playing with the sng nits on pokerstars clouds my judgement sometimes....

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07-27-2008 , 11:55 PM

#389

poppoppoq

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Originally Posted by Devilboy666

I can see the argument for just calling but folding? Really?

If Doyle has AA KK QQ JJ AK AJ KQ you are dominated, so yes i think you fold there.

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07-28-2008 , 12:10 AM

#390

Devilboy666

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

If Doyle has AA KK QQ JJ AK AJ KQ you are dominated, so yes i think you fold there.

LOOL if you think that is Doyle's opening range in that spot.

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07-28-2008 , 12:28 AM

#391

poppoppoq

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NO all I am saying is Tom could have picked a much better spot to go all-in.

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07-28-2008 , 12:28 AM

#392

En Passant

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Anyone else wonder why Townsend lied about getting a college scholarship to play chess? He told another lie too sometimes during the broadcast in an attempt to impress the other players... weird.

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07-28-2008 , 12:29 AM

#393

poppoppoq

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Only idiots who can't even spell poker go all-in with KJ

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07-28-2008 , 12:29 AM

#394

exec771

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Instead a great live player like myself would re-raise to 9k to "find out where I'm at" and then fold to a shove by Doyle having found out that he has Aces.

- Paulie Walnuts.

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07-28-2008 , 12:33 AM

#395

Devilboy666

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

NO all I am saying is Tom could have picked a much better spot to go all-in.

This aint your regular online $11 donkament. Unless he has the nuts he can ALWAYS find a 'better spot'. Looking at it like that without considering Doyle's opening range and your push EV / fold equity is not going to work.

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07-28-2008 , 03:11 AM

#396

djj6835

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Originally Posted by En Passant

Anyone else wonder why Townsend lied about getting a college scholarship to play chess? He told another lie too sometimes during the broadcast in an attempt to impress the other players... weird.

How would you know this is a lie? He said he got like 400 bucks.

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07-28-2008 , 03:37 AM

#397

zerg rush

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

All i know is I hope Dwan is at my tournament table the next time he goes all-in with KJo

AMIRITE

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07-28-2008 , 03:56 AM

#398

blankoblanco

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Originally Posted by En Passant

Anyone else wonder why Townsend lied about getting a college scholarship to play chess? He told another lie too sometimes during the broadcast in an attempt to impress the other players... weird.

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Originally Posted by djj6835

How would you know this is a lie? He said he got like 400 bucks.

yeah, seriously. and what is this supposed "other lie" you speak of? or are you just talking out of your ass?

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07-28-2008 , 04:36 AM

#399

jmill

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Originally Posted by poppoppoq

Only idiots who can't even spell poker go all-in with KJ

2+2=5

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07-28-2008 , 06:51 AM

#400

aislephive

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Lol at the directors cut.

Johnny: "They know how we play but we don't know how they play, so they have big advantage."

I really doubt any of the online players know much about their games. Watching them play a few out of context hands with shallow stacks in a donkament or something doesn't give hardly any info away on how they play.

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