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View Poll Results: Who Will Win This Week?
Andrew Lichtenberger
86 33.46%
Eric Baldwin
24 9.34%
Melanie Weisner
34 13.23%
Doyle Brunson
13 5.06%
Annette Obrestad
18 7.00%
Tom Dwan
82 31.91%

04-08-2011 , 02:58 AM
Wigs MaGee is hotter than Leeanne!
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04-08-2011 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pac
baldwin ever not had a hand?
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04-08-2011 , 03:06 AM
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LOL 19 puppies feet for Melanie.
Ali has developed the poker commentary of your standard housewife who buys in for the minimum and asks, "So am I a blind now" right as she sits down.
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04-08-2011 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by borderline
ueber, i'm not gonna pretend to be callisto, but maybe my insight will be helpfull

It was blind vs blind iirc, and basebaldy was chip leader. He makes a standard open, melanie defends with KT standardly.

Flop 722hh. Basebaldy leads, Melanie calls. Basebaldy can have anything here, pairs, ahighs, air, 2x, etc..

Turn, 9x. Basebaldy leads again. Now basebaldy can never have A high, and very rare does he have 7x. This makes his hand range to 99+, 9x, Hearts (that is not Ahxh), and double barrel air. Because of this polarized range, melanie feels her hand has enough equity to call.

River, Jx. Basebaldy checks. Now melanie checks back think that she isn't going to get him off 9x, 99+ and she is ahead of everything that is air except for KQ, so she checks back.
u got it.
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04-08-2011 , 03:28 AM
I ruined my action oh no!!!!

Not the most entertaining week of PAD but lately there have been less and less truly entertaining poker shows...makes me kinda sad.
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04-08-2011 , 03:29 AM
You played really well Melanie, tough luck tho
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04-08-2011 , 03:40 AM
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I don't have a lot of respect for baldwins game so far. Hit with the deck, then c/f mpair/gutshot. Does he think she has zero bluffs in her range?
Seriously? Dude is perfect for this type of format and check folding is a bad play by twoplustwo's standards no matter what the cards are
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04-08-2011 , 04:06 AM
who were they talking about chewing cards and getting staked on 2p2? lolz
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04-08-2011 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by coolnout
who were they talking about chewing cards and getting staked on 2p2? lolz
Yeah I was wondering that too. I thought I heard Chewy say the name "BrandonZee" but I can't be sure. Seemed like a weird story, anyone know?
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04-08-2011 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Biscuits33
Yeah I was wondering that too. I thought I heard Chewy say the name "BrandonZee" but I can't be sure. Seemed like a weird story, anyone know?
found it:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...k-tmrw-896338/

At a pretty high blind level, you got a 20 minute penalty for eating cards. That wasn't a strategic decision.

rofl
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04-08-2011 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Callisto 5
u got it.
Not like it matters, but at least 2-3 of these assumptions range from meh to pretty bad:

Turn, 9x. Basebaldy leads again. Now basebaldy can never have A high

This is pretty far off. It's not as if he has an easy c/c on the turn w/ A high, and when behind he often has 6 outs. Even if he is somewhat suspicious she is pure floating, it's often going to be better for him to fire again on the turn and win the pot right there as opposed to having to make a hero calldown.

and very rare does he have 7x

Ya also disagree with this. Her range (esp when he has 7x for combo reasons) has a ton of Ax/33-66 making it a clear spot to v-bet again to a) protect his equity b) get called by a worse hand and v rarely a better one and c) this is a distant third, but being unable to bet a hand as strong as 7x here is pretty bad for metagame.

River, Jx. Basebaldy checks. Now melanie checks back think that she isn't going to get him off 9x, 99+ and she is ahead of everything that is air except for KQ, so she checks back.

Although non-standard and probably not optimal under these conditions, her flop and turn play are at least defendable. River, particularly on that card, is a clear bet imo. In addition to it being very difficult for you to have air period when u flat the flop and turn (which of c is 1 of the biggest benefits to flatting w/ no pair no draw twice), the J is gin because it fills a few of your pure flop floats that pick up equity on the turn (JT/J8/T8). I think he def might have thrown away 97 if you bet there, let alone a bunch of weaker hands that are ahead of KT. If your image is such that you are going to get looked up light, then it's likely not so good to double float here, particularly on such a transparent board to float the flop.

Decided to throw in a bit of brief strat since callisto is checking out this thread.

Last edited by gman06; 04-08-2011 at 04:39 AM.
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04-08-2011 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gman06
Not like it matters, but at least 2-3 of these assumptions range from meh to pretty bad:

Turn, 9x. Basebaldy leads again. Now basebaldy can never have A high

This is pretty far off. It's not as if he has an easy c/c on the turn w/ A high, and when behind he often has 6 outs. Even if he is somewhat suspicious she is pure floating, it's often going to be better for him to fire again on the turn and win the pot right there as opposed to having to make a hero calldown.

and very rare does he have 7x

Ya also disagree with this. Her range (esp when he has 7x for combo reasons) has a ton of Ax/33-66 making it a clear spot to v-bet again to a) protect his equity b) get called by a worse hand and v rarely a better one and c) this is a distant third, but being unable to bet a hand as strong as 7x here is pretty bad for metagame.

River, Jx. Basebaldy checks. Now melanie checks back think that she isn't going to get him off 9x, 99+ and she is ahead of everything that is air except for KQ, so she checks back.

Although non-standard and probably not optimal under these conditions, her flop and turn play are at least defendable. River, particularly on that card, is a clear bet imo. In addition to it being very difficult for you to have air period when u double float here, the J is gin because it fills a few of your pure flop floats that pick up equity on the turn (JT/J8/T8). I think he def might have thrown away 97 if you bet there, let alone a bunch of weaker hands that are ahead of KT. If your image is such that you are going to get looked up light, then it's likely not so good to double float here, particularly on such a transparent board to float the flop.

Decided to throw in a bit of brief strat since callisto is checking out this thread.
Pretty sure Melanie was just leveling, as the previous analysis by 'borderline' was terrible on so many levels. Also pretty terrible that the preflop raiser was presumed to be "leading" the flop and turn but thats just being nitty

meh,

Spoiler:
woteva


much better strat post from u tho
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04-08-2011 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GarthAlgar
YAWN!!!!!!!!

PAD is getting ****ing LAME.
lolno. PAD has had the best poker on tv so far this year.
Also people are salivating over 2 weeks of the upcoming PLO cash game.
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04-08-2011 , 05:04 AM
It tilts how long the "young guns" take to act, combined with stupid shuffle and random stares. I'm sorry but it's a ****in sitngo, just bet/fold/call already. I'm constantly forwarding, just can't take it.

Give me Doyle back, at least he plays fast.
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04-08-2011 , 06:14 AM
I had to rewind just to make sure I heard what I thought I heard, but Ali Nejad said: "19 puppy feet for Melanie"! lol


Did he lose a prop bet with someone forcing him to use (come up with) the lamest hold'em hand nick-names? Like, srsly, Ali...it doesn't sound cool (even for the semi-good ones). Not even a little bit.

Even his "Melanie slumming it now with KQ, a step down from AQ" is facepalm.jpg-worthy. When he says it, it's as if he's yelling to the audience, "Get it? Because she had AQ the hand before now she has KQ which is a notch below so she's slumming it with that holding! Get it?"
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04-08-2011 , 06:39 AM
I mean, that's what I'm thinking, so I would love for callisto to tell me if I'm just flat out dead wrong and was just leveling in saying "u got it".
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04-08-2011 , 06:55 AM
baldwin gets premium starters like those users on UB
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04-08-2011 , 08:12 AM
Baldwin seems like a bit of a luckbox, but who wouldn't wanna be one of those?
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04-08-2011 , 08:24 AM
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I had to rewind just to make sure I heard what I thought I heard, but Ali Nejad said: "19 puppy feet for Melanie"! lol


Did he lose a prop bet with someone forcing him to use (come up with) the lamest hold'em hand nick-names? Like, srsly, Ali...it doesn't sound cool (even for the semi-good ones). Not even a little bit.

Even his "Melanie slumming it now with KQ, a step down from AQ" is facepalm.jpg-worthy. When he says it, it's as if he's yelling to the audience, "Get it? Because she had AQ the hand before now she has KQ which is a notch below so she's slumming it with that holding! Get it?"
Ali just plain sucks as a commentator, no point in having him there.
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04-08-2011 , 08:37 AM
OK episode I guess. Kinda rooting for Dwan now; as soon as he doubled up he started to get real interested. He's done pretty well considering he has been pretty card dead compared to the others.

Anyone notice the graphics error when Luckychewy was knocked out and the chip stacks came up they still had him at 13k even though he'd just been knocked out lol
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04-08-2011 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OMG_LadyGaga
Pretty sure Melanie was just leveling, as the previous analysis by 'borderline' was terrible on so many levels. Also pretty terrible that the preflop raiser was presumed to be "leading" the flop and turn but thats just being nitty

meh,

Spoiler:
woteva


much better strat post from u tho
+1
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04-08-2011 , 09:08 AM
I like Ali Nejad, I think he fills in the silence pretty well when there is no table talk
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04-08-2011 , 09:49 AM
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I mean, that's what I'm thinking, so I would love for callisto to tell me if I'm just flat out dead wrong and was just leveling in saying "u got it".
u ARE wrong. Pretty much every street was botched in your analysis and it doesnt take Melanie to tell you that. However if she wasnt leveling and she had the same thought process as you, then you're both wrong lol
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04-08-2011 , 09:51 AM
I think the real question is did chewy smash.
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04-08-2011 , 10:03 AM
Pretty sweet lineup i think. I hope chewy gets more TV time in the future. Baldwin was boring and played super standard and Melanie is pretty cute and seems to be quite good. Durrrr is always fun to watch
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