But if that works (that he wastes people's time with that crap even a little less often), then you'd have reduced the instances of what to me is the single most frustrating thing about playing live. And as someone said, there's no damage — it's not like it will change his play or cause him to leave.

The 2 out re-draw is there if you hit half your outs anyways. A T-Q only gives you a pair and is beaten by a 2. And the 5 on the turn only adds 2 outs. One of the 5's is also a diamond.

Anyway...this thread is being derailed.

Heard this one the other day.

"Never tell the table when you're going to leave. The cards will hear you and you'll get aces or kings sucked out on during your last hand."

The cards hear you?

"They know somehow. They either hear or are psychic."

True, but the point is that the 21-outer is SLIGHTLY better than the 23-outer. That's all.

Definitely a good one to get us back on track.

I like to say stuff like this a lot. At a recent WSOP circuit event I was claiming early on that K7 couldn't be beat. If you say something like that enough, people start noticing 77 or KK on the flop or where 4 to a straight connects with that hand and I think there is a part of some of them that believes it. Perhaps it was just an excuse for me to splash with K7 when the blinds were 25/25 and the stacks were 10K, but I got several others talking about it. I'm not sure who was trying harder to level whom, but a lot of people weighed in on the virtue of K7.

$1/$2 NL game.

Player #1 has TT
Player #2 has 36

Flop is T36 with two spades. Player #2 has the 3 of spades and gets running spades for the win. I say, "Wow, that was really your only outs". He says, "No I had outs for runner runner 3's or 6's."

Yeah buddy - keep counting on running quad outs.
Runner runner quad outs with no spade redraw -

Hand 0: 99.798% 99.80% 00.00% 988 0.00 { TdTh }
Hand 1: 00.202% 00.20% 00.00% 2 0.00 { 6d3h }

Last night, had a hand in Vegas at 1/2 100/300. Villain was both fishy and a real jerk. One of those guys who never stopped berating players for making a dicey call in a pot he himself had won. Own history with villain was that a few hands before I had flatted a 10 raise with AQo, flop A 6 2. Villain bets 20, I make it 60, he thinks and makes it 120. I had started the hand with like 180 so the non-shove was a little scary. tanked a bit, shoved finally, he calls with AQ and we chop.

Few hands later I pick up AA, raise to 15, and get two callers to my right, including villain. Flop is J J 8. Everyone checks. Turn is J. EP checks, villain bets 15. I flat, EP folds. River makes the board J J 8 J 4. Villain bets 20. I make it 60. Villain says, "we seriously doing this again, 120!!!!" Obviously snapped, a little annoyed that he might actually have the case jack.

"I've got the 8!" he says, triumphantly.

The thinking - gotta valuetown your crappy full houses apparently. .

Not in a game but it was live.

Talking to my dad about my last session

Dad: You say you played great but lost... how is that possible?
me: Every time I put my money in I had the best hand and sometimes they would catch a card later
Dad: so you didn't have the best hand then.

I got one along the same lines. Long story short. 1/2 game I slow play AQ on an AQQ72 board 2 on the river and super aggro donk jerkoff at the table and I get into a betting where we get it in on river. River has like $30 in the pot when he bets $20 and I raise to $50, he makes it $100 I shove (he had over $350 to start the hand I had him covered), he instacalls and shows Q2. He then says, what else am I supposed to do. I agree and say, "sick spot bro, nothing you can do, destined to go broke"

Uhhh... There's this guy named Captain Zeebo I think you should meet...

Please elaborate. I am relatively new to the forum.

Click it before it gets deleted for being strategy:

A concise list of 2+2 theorems

ok well..this isnt live it just happened right now online

but

some guy got upset because his straight lost a boat on the river

he was like "wow" "lucky river"
me : "you let him get there"
him: "why would i bet with a straight + flush draw"..

Lol had this the other day, some inexperienced donk folded river and asked guy what he had, guy says 10 9, donk goes quiet for 5 seconds then says

"Wait why would you bet the flop if you had a straight draw" and then looks at the table like this guy is an idiot

^^

hahaha

lmao...was the donk in deep thought for those 5 seconds? lol

I heard two beauties last night.

At showdown, player A says "I have the internet hand" and turns over Q7.
Player B: "Why is that hand called the internet?"
Player A: "Because it has been shown to be the hand that wins most often in internet poker".

I kid you not. QFT

Second, there is a PLO8 game that often runs where I play (local sports bar). Players who have played lots of holdem often drift over there and give it a shot. One particular player did recently, runs good, and cashes out for 6 buy ins. So, we are talking about it the next night (he wasn't present) and someone says "yeah, he said he likes Omaha 8, it is more straight forward than holdem". I actually loled.

Join date: Feb 2010.

Actually I like Omaha8 at lower stakes because it's more straight forward than Hold'em. And if I show down Q7 I call it by its correct name of "computer hand," because the computer showed that Q7 does the best of all other hands heads up vs AA. I'm glad I have the most absurd poker "thinking" you've ever heard.

2 guys in their 50s at the table, one is telling a story about how he masterfully played a hand at 5/10 NL.

(slightly translated to normal terms)

I pick up AK and raise to 60. Another guy has AQ and calls. My friend Fred also has AK and raises to 180. I go all in for 600. The guy with AQ calls for 300 total and Fred folds. My AK holds up to win. Fred then starts yelling at me about how I played the hand. I told Fred it was his fault. By 3 betting, he gave up control of the hand and let me to win. When you reraise someone, you don't have control of the hand.

I'm sure I'm being leveled, however:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 87.708% 87.54% 00.17% 107920008 211140.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 12.292% 12.12% 00.17% 14943600 211140.00 { Q7o }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 83.514% 83.33% 00.18% 34244580 75612.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 16.486% 16.30% 00.18% 6699492 75612.00 { Q7s }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.940% 77.77% 00.17% 31958460 71310.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 22.060% 21.89% 00.17% 8994216 71310.00 { 98s }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.861% 80.68% 00.18% 49732704 112140.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 19.139% 18.96% 00.18% 11685960 112140.00 { 99 }

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I wouldn't call it a "level," really, since while it's untrue, it's one of the goofy explanations I've heard over the years as to why Q7 is called computer hand. (I believe 56s not suited to one of the As is actually best.) The other common one was that Q7 was the median hand if you ranked them from strongest to weakest, which is also not true but isn't that far from the truth. I'll take a look at that thread you linked and see what other whoppers have popped up, obv the "internet hand" thing is new because internet poker, at least for real money, didn't exist when I heard the two explanations above.

Yes, 65s is the best hand vs aces. It is a whopping 22.5% vs them. 23.056% if you don't share a suit with the ace and 21.942% if you do.

And I believe A9o suited to one of the AA's aces is worst, although not as bad as K2o vs KK.

I think the idea here is that even if you're super-aggro, you got in to a hand with Q2 and lost to AQ and want everyone to feel sorry for you.

first off he couldn't put me on QQ as that hand is impossible. But it was pretty absurd of him because in my thinking (and I am surprised you guys don't see it) that he 3bet my river raise. I had position, he bet river, I raised, he then went on to 3 bet there and I shove. I have played with this gentleman for a few times and it isn't hard to know that I will not be raising the river light there. When he asked me, "what am I supposed to do there?" It took all I had inside of me to not tell him, "don't reraise me on the river, duh"

It is a $100 max buy in $1/2 table and I had his $350 stack covered.

Last night he was sitting to my direct right and I called him down on turn and river with A high and he went nuts. He kept asking me how I could make those calls with nothing. And I honestly don't even know what to say there other than what I told him, "AQ is a really hard hand to fold" obv AQ was good.

You must be leveling

Vuggie, do you go broke with weak full houses and chalk it up to bad luck?