"If you are counting cards, doubling down on a soft 21 can be mathematically correct. "

The was a hard 21, an Ace King (suited to boot). So instead of a 1.5X payout, the double down resulted in an 11.

Billy

Theres a running joke in my home games cause one of my friends thought this was a straight also :P

Ace King is a Soft 21. An example of a hard 21 would be, for example, 6,7,8, or K,K,A. And it is impossible for doubling down on Ace King to result in an 11. Do you mean it resulted in a 12?

Blackjack and Stud poker are both places where I've heard the absurd statement, "You took my card" many times.

OK, it was a blackjack or an 11. He doubled down, so the casino treated the hand as an 11.

Billy

I don't understand your post above then. What do you mean "the double down resulted in an 11?" In any event, what I said is correct, it can be mathematically correct to double a blackjack, it certainly is not "absurd," maybe he was counting.

You are certainly a much more skilled and knowledgeable blackjack player than I.

This player was dealt an Ace and a King for a blackjack. He declined the 21 and doubled down instead, opting to treat the Ace as a 1 and the King as a 10 which equals 11. You say this is impossible and only a 12 is possible. The casino treated this as an 11. Obviously the dealer made a mistake.

For my money, I will always take the perfect hand and the 1.5X payout. But I am not a card counter. The hand in question was dealt from a fresh shoe. The shoe holds 6 decks. The cut-card is usually placed about 2/3 way in.

Thanks for the blackjack insights.

Lol, welcome to the forums.

1. No, I said that ending up with an 11 after doubling down with a blackjack is impossible. Which it is. You said his double down resulted in an eleven, I took that to mean, you were trying to say he doubled, took an additional card, and somehow ended up with an 11. which, obviously, is not possible.

2. So this just happenned to be the very first hand of the shoe? If this is true then, yes, obviously he's not counting and that's just bad. You failed to include that (necessary) detail in your first several posts.

Do you know what soft and hard mean in the context of blackjack?

I do.

was playing a $65 winner take all satellite SNG. Obv pretty turbo structure. Blinds are 25/50, 2nd level, 8 players left. Loud drunk guy limps, another guy limps, then a moron shoves for 320. This guy just called an allin on an AA5 flop with K9, and had limp/called a 5x raise with the same K9o. The loud drunk guy tank/calls, and the other limper folds AK face up, and then can't believe it when they show Q2s and AJo.

Is that what happened, or did you just add that to make it awesome? It worked.

where is this, I will never play there if that could possibly happen

I'm sure your friend had a good laugh after this happened.

Old man calls reraise in small tourney with q10 offsuit. Flop 22Q all the money gets in and he cracks AA when Q hits the river. While stacking his chips he defends his play: "I had to call, I had two live cards."
Not sure if he meant preflop or if he was referring to the two out he had when he called all in, but I didn't ask.

Me: long 1/2 grind session at mohegan, down to last 60 dollars, getting late.

My friend, in his infinite words of poker widsom:

"Dude you're down to like next to nothing man just push! It's like a tourney! Just do it who cares?! You're gonna lose if you play normally, you're losing anyway, just gamble!."

Table agrees and encourages me, at the same time reinforcing my friends belief that he is correct.

Of course he had two live cards - he could hit the queen or the other queen.

live 2/5

Villain raises to 25, I call with 77 in Blinds

Flop: A73ss

without the details lets just say I ended up allin on the flop and he thought long and hard and then shows AA and says "I know you have a flush draw, and those never miss, I fold"

Guy next to me yesterday in an 8/16 game "I don't know why people raise pf, especially in late position"

Playing local 1/2 last night. Villain one raises to 10 (has 130 behind), villain two calls (85 behind). Folded to me in BB with AK (400 behind). I make it 55. Villain one tanks then calls, villain two snap calls.

Flop is A63 rainbow. Villain one has 75 left and villain two has 30 left. I go allin. Both snap call. Villain one has AK also and villain two has 66 for a set.

After the hand villain two explains to his friend sitting beside him that he has to call the $55 preflop "because of implied odds"

lol sod the Palomar on next trip to SD am headed here :P

3 of hours hard work paid of setting up this particular goldfish is £1/£1 (£100 max) he is about £250 i have around £300. Holding 88 flop is something like 763. 1 bet (£10) fish calls i riase to £40 both call....turn is a 9. Now from my ealry setup plays i know this guy is on AK maybe AQ or a draw of some description. i fire 60 or 75 into pot after its checked round to me, 1 fold and then fish flat calls, now i know he is on a draw... river is a J, is checked to me, i know he doesnt have a jack and most likely has a missed draw, so i say my bet is whatever is in that guys stack (around £60) he looks at me turns to his mate and says have you called a cab yet? mate says yes, he goes ok i call, he shows 5 high and says i just wanted to see what you had...................

lol i love live poker :P

This was a good one

Plaomar Club, just outside San Diego

$1/$3 am pretty deep against guy jsut rebought

i had k9 suited in BB called a small raise from said player, was prob 5 to flop........

FLOP was KKx (something like a 7)

anyway i bet 2 callers

TURN another x I bet other guy in pot folded 1st guy raised me......he had already made 3 or 4 bluffs in the past 20 mins so i re-raised him. Bear in mind there is now around $200 in the middle and he has about $25 to $30 left he insto folds sayin "god damn it you made your full house"

Was a good night

Reminds me of something Mr. Barry G said on HSP

There's always this same lady who plays in a local casino here (RiverRock Casino) who just doesn't seem to have a brain. Here's a classic example of a nice 1-2 NL Hold'em game (Min buy-in $40, Max buy-in $200).

Someone makes a very small raise to $7 in early position. Three (3) other players call the $7 and she calls with A-J (diamonds) in the C/O. The button re-raises to $13 TOTAL. The BB calls, the initial raiser calls $6 more and so do all three other callers obviously. I'm sitting beside her and she shows me her hand and folds it. I ask her "Why?" She tells me: "Well, I'm probably behind right now. Someone's definitely got a pair!" I am shocked. I try to explain pot-odds and simple things like "you could win a big pot if you flop a straight or flush or a flush-draw" because up to this point I had some form of respect for her. But she interrupts me and tells me that she's been playing for many years and probably knows more than me. I take a deep breath, and just decide to let it go. It doesn't stop there. The flop comes: 7-7-4 with no diamonds. She tells me: "See! See that?! I would've lost!" 10 seconds later I'm getting a seat change. An hour later I doubled up through her.

Ever since this day she completely hates me and always tries to rub it in when I lose a cooler-hand like set-over-set.

Anyway, I think it's hilarious every time though and makes for great entertainment for many, many players in our local casinos.


Help the brainless!