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11-08-2009 , 11:16 AM
I just woke up too, im so mad, did not mean to fall aleep. Cant belive I missed its after the break. Ivey's out?!!?!? Wow... im sooooooooo mmmmaaadddddd. I hope Joe Cada wins... please
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11-08-2009 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Ridiculouz
I just woke up too, im so mad, did not mean to fall aleep. Cant belive I missed its after the break. Ivey's out?!!?!? Wow... im sooooooooo mmmmaaadddddd. I hope Joe Cada wins... please
I hope Cada wins too, but if Moon wins I hope it ends like this to show what this FT has been about...

-They are down to even chips
-Cada raises X3
-Moon Re-raises X10
-Cada moves in knowing donkaments might actually call
-Moon snap calls

-Cada turns over AA
-Moon turns over KJ off ("well I saaaw 2 picta caards had ta shove, I had ta")

flop: 765
turn: J
river: J

-Moon ("I'm really sorry, but this is just the way I've been runnin', unbelievable uh? hahaha")
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11-08-2009 , 11:28 AM
I hope Cada wins too, but if Moon wins I hope it ends like this to show what this FT has been about...

-They are down to even chips
-Cada raises X3
-Moon Re-raises X10
-Cada moves in knowing donkaments might actually call
-Moon snap calls

-Cada turns over AA
-Moon turns over KJ off ("well I saaaw 2 picta caards had ta shove, I had ta")

flop: 765
turn: J
river: J

-Moon ("I'm really sorry, but this is just the way I've been runnin', unbelievable uh? hahaha")[/QUOTE]

I lol'ed
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11-08-2009 , 11:31 AM
So, so happy that Begleiter does not have a chance to win!!! He's the poster boy for douchiness and probably most of all; if this is how he acted at the tables this whole tournament, just makes you wonder how he handled his position at Bear Stearns. No contriteness whatsoever and on tv of all places celebrating suckouts, slapping an opponent for taking a pot, ugggh!
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11-08-2009 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Amawez
So, so happy that Begleiter does not have a chance to win!!!
in fairness to Begs he actually played well I think.

But Cada. Jesus, the biggest final table on earth and he cracked how many big pairs with his small ones AIPF?

Some people have all the luck I guess.
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11-08-2009 , 11:47 AM
Every elimination other than the Akenhead one has been a bad beat, am I right?

AQ win v AK
(AQ has been luckiest and most devastating in the FT)
KK win v AA (Can't really put blame here but seriously...)
22 win v QQ (Cada moves over the top of a reraise with 22 after how many hours?... wtf? given the chip stacks, the time, the play and everything else, there is no way he though that 22 was good, that all in would be called by a better pair 90% of the time, the other 10% would be AK and you'd have a flip for a monster pot that didn't need to be monster.)
KJ win v A5 (Moon insta calls monster bet with KJ.. wtf?)

etc... I can go on and on, I know we expected a lot of gambling, but this is pathetic.

They wait for 12 hours. I guess the the players who are supposed to be outplayed and caught with weaker hands have been the most successfull, what a fitting final 2.

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11-08-2009 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JohanNorseman

I salute you Ivey, I truly believe he put up the best performance at a televised final table ever, and it had to take a donkey/bad beat to send him out.

Moon's call with A-Q on the button was pretty standard against a shortie who was shoving a number of times immediately previous to the hand.

(correct me if I'm wrong, not sure if he was on the button or how many times Ivey shoved prior)
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11-08-2009 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLNHDONKWP
Moon's call with A-Q on the button was pretty standard against a shortie who was shoving a number of times immediately previous to the hand.

(correct me if I'm wrong, not sure if he was on the button or how many times Ivey shoved prior)
You know what, you're right it was a standard call but...


Even though it was pretty standard, I think it was very undeserving to go out like that. Especially after Ivey had waited for a moment like this the whole of 12 hours or so.

Regardless of this hand, Moon has been playing horrendously, but seeing how the final table has been played I guess it's fitting to see him and Cada HU.
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11-08-2009 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JohanNorseman
I hope Cada wins too, but if Moon wins I hope it ends like this to show what this FT has been about...

-They are down to even chips
-Cada raises X3
-Moon Re-raises X10
-Cada moves in knowing donkaments might actually call
-Moon snap calls

-Cada turns over AA
-Moon turns over KJ off ("well I saaaw 2 picta caards had ta shove, I had ta")

flop: 765
turn: J
river: J

-Moon ("I'm really sorry, but this is just the way I've been runnin', unbelievable uh? hahaha")
Almost right... just replace AA with 55

Seing this FT really makes me not want to play poker 4 a while.

The only good play Moon made was his standard call/suckout against Ivey, and the only good one by Cada was his snap call with aces against Moon, which is only time he's had the best hand when being/calling all in
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11-08-2009 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by D2D
Almost right... just replace AA with 55

Seing this FT really makes me not want to play poker 4 a while.

The only good play Moon made was his standard call/suckout against Ivey, and the only good one by Cada was his snap call with aces against Moon, which is only time he's had the best hand when being/calling all in
uh if cada had 55 he would have the winning hand LDO
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11-08-2009 , 12:41 PM
Darvin Moon is the luckiest piece of crap poker player in the world. He has absolutely no business being in the position he is currently or being anywhere near the final table.

AQ Vs Iveys AK all in and he hits his Q...unfckn real...what a luckbox!

For the argument of weather poker is a game of skill or not...Moon is our worst enemy...what a joker.
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11-08-2009 , 12:41 PM
I can't seem to get the bluff magazine audio coverage to work or pkr =/
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11-08-2009 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by o0ch
uh if cada had 55 he would have the winning hand LDO
DUh!
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11-08-2009 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
Stopped watching the second Ivey lost.
Moon just can't win, this would be the worst thing for poker ever...
Ivey played like a champ, showing the kind of inhuman patience that was obviously appropriate, no matter what those ******ed (for the most part) commentators were saying.
Cada played it like an online tourney, but have to give him credit for at least having the balls to gamble it up for these stakes. I think Ivey would've played very similarly a couple of years ago himself.
I sure hope Cada wins and catches Moon in a ******ed bluff to crush him HU.
I dont know why everyone is chanting Moon will be bad for poker. I seriously think it's the other way around. Him winning can bring A LOT of new players to the game.. And that is what I regard "good for poker". It may not be good for the argument that poker is a game of skill, but when people all around the world see that a somewhat clueless logger can win millions from one tournament, it can have a new "moneymaker" effect, not in the same scale but a minor one for sure..

Moon is a stand up guy, honest and polite. He is an average Joe, and he has a good head on his shoulders even though he cant play poker that well. He has good principles for life imo.
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11-08-2009 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by proogs1
For the argument of weather poker is a game of skill or not...Moon is our worst enemy...what a joker.
I thought that quite a bit of the play at the final table was absolutely terrible...and unfortunately, most of that terrible play was rewarded.

What I witnessed online and what the world will witness on Tuesday night is really going to promote the luck factor in poker.
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11-08-2009 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JohanNorseman
that all in would be called by a better pair 90% of the time, the other 10% would be AK and you'd have a flip for a monster pot that didn't need to be monster.
QFT.. or not
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11-08-2009 , 01:43 PM
why do people get so pissed when an amateur gets lucky and wins? Do all grinders out there realize that there are people out there who play poker for FUN?? Moon has been saying he's getting lucky and getting great cards, he's humble, genuine and a regular guy(as far as hicks go). Stop hating on the guy for having a good time and being luckier than you
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11-08-2009 , 01:43 PM
I don't get why people are questioning Moon's plays so much. He knows he sucks compared to the other players and that postflop he will never be able to have an edge without getting lucky. So he goes with preflop odds and hopes for the best, and it worked out perfect for him.

I expected him to play like this, and his 6m fold in 48m pot confirmed this, he knows he's beat postflop so doesn't want to put in more money.

His K9 call was the same "well, he prolly has a strong ace, I might still have a 40% shot at this so lets get it in and hope I win."

And I don't get why many people here see Cadas plays as "loose hyperaggro" and Moons as "donkey" plays. They are essentially the same type of plays.
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11-08-2009 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLNHDONKWP
Moon's call with A-Q on the button was pretty standard against a shortie who was shoving a number of times immediately previous to the hand.

(correct me if I'm wrong, not sure if he was on the button or how many times Ivey shoved prior)
He was on the BB and Ivey UTG. Pretty standard call.
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11-08-2009 , 02:02 PM
Out of these two horrible players thus far at the FT I would like to see moon take it down, after all he has never claimed to be good. Cada on the other hand has made some really dumb moves for someone who has skill and experience.
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11-08-2009 , 02:11 PM
I liked Cada before the final table started, but honestly he has played poorly. I don't want either one of them to win
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11-08-2009 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by proogs1
Darvin Moon is the luckiest piece of crap poker player in the world. He has absolutely no business being in the position he is currently or being anywhere near the final table.

AQ Vs Iveys AK all in and he hits his Q...unfckn real...what a luckbox!

For the argument of weather poker is a game of skill or not...Moon is our worst enemy...what a joker.
what about the guy three years ago ? =D

and th eAQ call is pretty standard, remember last year when Eastgate knocked Chino Rheem off calling with AQ against Chino's AK
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11-08-2009 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
I don't get why people are questioning Moon's plays so much. He knows he sucks compared to the other players and that postflop he will never be able to have an edge without getting lucky. So he goes with preflop odds and hopes for the best, and it worked out perfect for him.

I expected him to play like this, and his 6m fold in 48m pot confirmed this, he knows he's beat postflop so doesn't want to put in more money.

His K9 call was the same "well, he prolly has a strong ace, I might still have a 40% shot at this so lets get it in and hope I win."

And I don't get why many people here see Cadas plays as "loose hyperaggro" and Moons as "donkey" plays. They are essentially the same type of plays.
QFT.

Moon's plays reminded me of Jamie Gold calling Allen Cunningham's allin with K-Jos.

He saw he had a chance to knock out the best player and he took it.

When Allen turned over his tens and saw what Gold called him with you knew by the look on Allen's face he knew he was beat.
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11-08-2009 , 02:22 PM
i bet the high stakes pros are hoping cada wins. if so, i'm sure he'll be a high stakes fish for awhile.
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11-08-2009 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
I don't get why people are questioning Moon's plays so much. He knows he sucks compared to the other players and that postflop he will never be able to have an edge without getting lucky. So he goes with preflop odds and hopes for the best, and it worked out perfect for him.

I expected him to play like this, and his 6m fold in 48m pot confirmed this, he knows he's beat postflop so doesn't want to put in more money.

His K9 call was the same "well, he prolly has a strong ace, I might still have a 40% shot at this so lets get it in and hope I win."

And I don't get why many people here see Cadas plays as "loose hyperaggro" and Moons as "donkey" plays. They are essentially the same type of plays.
I agree. People are hating on Moon because he knocked out Ivey. Even the best get drawn out on sometimes (clearly), even in big spots. Maybe some of Moon's plays have been bad, but they're his chips, he can do whatever the **** he wants with them. Also, if the final table didn't have to run for 18 or whatever hours consecutively to sate ESPN's lust, maybe he'd be playing a bit more poker and doing a bit less overshoving. And he seemed like a pretty nice guy in the broadcasts, so honestly I'm just happy it's not Begleiter getting so lucky.

I think the difference in the plays between Cada and Moon is that Moon has been shoving really big, sometimes for 4 or 5 times the pot, and also calling in a lot of marginal (or worse) spots, whereas Cada has gotten himself in similar spots, but at least had fold equity (or at least he thought so).

Last edited by Dromar; 11-08-2009 at 02:45 PM. Reason: clarity
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