We have our own blend of mixed games going on in my card room and I am having trouble finding a good definitive resource on this game. I'm looking for answers from people who play or (preferably) work in major card rooms who spread this game.

- This game IS typically played 8-or-better, right?

- If a player fails to discard a card before the turn comes out, we have been treating it as a premature turn card, but it has come to my attention that the responsibility should be on the player to make sure he discards a card and if he doesn't do so before the turn is out, his hand should be ruled dead. Is this how the rule is typically applied?

This game really is CRAZY! The action is intense!

I've never heard of Pineapple being played hi/lo before.

If a player knowingly acts on a hand that does not have the correct number of cars, his hand is typically ruled dead.

If the player has a 3rd card still his hand is dead. He should have discarded his 3rd card before the betting of the flop, so if he still had a 3rd card he was cheating anyway.

And yes it can be played both as a hi game and a hi/lo

Apparently it was played both high only and in variations where you discard before and after the flop. I think the other variations used to be played in Northern Nevada. The Bicycle Casino did have strong Crazy Pineapple up until a few years back but I think it's gone now.


At the Bike the hand was ruled dead.

When Dynasty and Clarkmeister came to town about six years ago we went on a trip to the Bike with my gf since Dynasty had never seen the Bike. Each of us bought many racks and Dynasty ended up winning ten racks so he had about twenty in front of him. It was the first time he played ).

Link to article that originally appeared on newsgroup RGP. Note it's written by Jerrod Ankenman who teamed with Chen on the Mathematics of Poker and I know this guy used to destroy the Bike game:

http://www.everythingsbusted.com/p0c...Pineapple.html

~ Rick

I would agree that it's on the player to ensure they have discarded before the next round of betting occurs. It's not like they don't see everyone else doing exactly that, so as long as the dealer follows basic procedures (announcing "discard!," ensuring that all live players discard one card, and rapping the table before burn/turn), then nobody should have any excuses.

al

Agreed with Al.

The dealer can "collect" the discards (much like collecting antes) to ensure all live players discard before delivering the turn card in order to lessen these chances (but I agree with the others on the penalty if the player still doesn't discard)

OK, so that's what we were doing wrong before. My dealers are quite competent and this has only happened once to my recollection where the guy in the 2 seat had leaned back with his cards to show a railbird. (BBV: the "original board" made my hand the winner, the "new" board made someone else the winner) As I said before, we treated it as a premature turn card rather than killing the hand. Making it the player's responsibility makes perfect sense, though I would probably still want to treat it as a premature burn if, say, the dealer forgets what game he's dealing and puts a turn out before anyone can discard rather than ruling all the hands dead. Generally, the dealer is hit with a cacophony of yells from the players if he raps the table and goes to put the turn out before the discard.

Great link. We are doing it right, then... except we play it as Pot Limit instead of structured.

As I understand it, Pineapple discards before the flop and Crazy Pineapple is discarded after the flop. It's a great game. Omaha for ******ed people.

PLCP8? That has to be an insane action game. Any time you add hi/lo games and pot limit betting you get big action Where is your casino?

We played this at my last home game, do you discard before or after the betting round on the flop?

During LOL. I have worked in two casinos that spread this game and at both of them you can discard anytime before the turn is dealt. I guess technically that is after the betting, but often players just discard if they don't have a hard decision.

Super Crazy Pineapple. Throw one away preflop and one away postflop.

As a dealer and a floor, I prefer the players discard on the flop as they act. As they check or bet they discard immediately, leaving the card in front of them. Then the dealer mucks them all at the same time when action is complete.

If you can get your players used to doing it as they act it will speed up the game and will cut down on errors from everyone just tossing a card into the middle.

Oh, and I can't even imagine playing Crazy Pineapple PL 8 or better. There needs to be a new acronym for this game. What limits do you play? Better yet, what chips do you use? I can only imagine the amount of stacking the dealer needs to do!

Pineapple is played with a discard pre-flop. Crazy pineapple is played with discard after the flop (pre-turn). Watermelon is 4 cards, discard 1 pre-flop and discard 1 pre-turn. Rutebaga starts with 2 cards with one additional card dealt to each active player after the flop and a fourth card dealt after the turn and then plays like Omaha, must use two from your hand. I am not aware of either of the last two variants being spread in any cainos.

Any time you have "extra" cards in your hand it is dead. This responsibility rest solely with the player although sharp dealers make efforts to ensure proper discardrding.

AW

I need help...had a 5/5 PLO and 5/5 Crazy Pineapple game with a switch every 30 minutes. Does the dealer have the responsibility to ask for a discard from every player before the betting round goes or do they just ask for betting action and then declare hands dead if the player has not discarded. Half said the discard should be done all at once and the other half said the player has to discard when it is his turn to bet or his hand is dead. I don't see the advantage to the player who doesn't discard and therefore why would the dealer not be able to monitor this and make sure the discards are complete. Help?

I was told today that dealers are not allowed to ask for a discard. Totally confused...what is the standard rule?

I think Christine is still in the game and not checking replies...

I have only sat the game once... it was 1/2 blinds with pretty much no cap, played with reds ($5) as the primary chip of the games, with some whites and greens mixed in.

We also were playing PLO, PLO8, 2x5 PLO, 2x5 PLO8, PL Greek HE, Razz, Stud and Stub 8 (structured) and I think one or two rounds of PLHE. We have been playing as "dealers" choice from that list of games, moving the button on each hand to track the "dealer" for a round of games.

The 2x5 PLO and 2x5 PLO8 was much crazier... many many 200BB+ pots. Especially when I would call 2x5 PLO and people forget we are not playing a hi/lo game.

Unless that button to every table position, occupied or not, it is probably better to shift to a counting system using lammers to make sure each game is played the same number of times.

Sounds like a great game, though.

And late to the party, but Pineapple plays very well hi/lo.

Crazy Pineapple is being played live somewhere? I can't even find this game online. What casino runs this?

Also, I seem to recall a Pineapple variant called Tahoe where everyone gets 3 cards and keeps them all through the hand, but they can only use up to 2 of them to make a hand. Friend of mine called it "Hold 'em for lazy people." Anyone else ever play that?