You refuse to accept that “getting rid of your cards” is not always folding. Until you get past that you will remain confused.

If we define folding or at least proper folding as tossing hand forward in turn when facing action, then very few situations will allow a folded hand, identifiable or not, to be recovered.

There might be a small minority of rooms that allow a FOLDED hand to be recovered. But the standard rule is that a fold is binding even if the hand is identifiable. But it has to be a FOLD not a discard at showdown. Once you get to understand there are more than one ways to get rid of cards things get more clear

mod: Perfectly. Be nice, don't be a dick, even with people who disagree with you, and with whom you disagree, and all will be well.

Your knowledge that all identifiable h@nd scan be recovered is a very uncommon rule. Maybe TVC has such a rule but definitely not common. I have even played at places where a card off the table at showdown may be ruled live. But that doesn’t mean a FOLDED hand, tossed forward face down that goes off the table will be live. On table or off table, most rooms that hand is dead and will be mucked.

You seem to think I agree with what the floor at Thunder said, despite my repeated position?

I do not. You are trying to shoot the messenger.

I also suspect that the reality isn't as extreme as what I was told.

You're right and you're wrong. I have always felt that throwing your hand away is a fold and I'm not the least bit confused about it. I find the distinction of facing a bet, versus a check compelling enough to ease my position somewhat. But not enough to fault dealers for doing their job and mucking the hand immediately.

I'm also OK with a discarded hand being recovered in some circumstances - subject to a decision by the floor.

What bothers me most is the gang mentality several of you are engaging in. I tell you about something I was told at Thunder Valley years ago and immediately get attacked with silly scenarios. For those that did that, not their best moment.

I'm just asking what actually happens at the room. If what the floor said doesn't properly describe what actually happens at the room, what he said is completely irrelevant.

How did we get from 'slide over the line' to toss, get rid of and throw? Toss and Throw are verbs for sure (verb = action .. from 3rd grade). Do we really need to dive into 'get rid of' and 'surrender' as well .. pretty good 'actions' there too.

We're supposed to be discussing the (potentially) marginal 'action' of sliding cards forward over a line on the felt that is nothing more than a guideline to help the Dealer get their job done these days.

While certainly physically different .. how about the pump-fake-toss-non-fold? Looks like a fold (attempt) but no release .. so all good? Player gets a warning (maybe) .. no dead hand.

Player may have local knowledge that the line on the felt means nothing but TDA suggests that Players slide their cards to avoid any unintentional exposure. So how far of a slide really counts as a folding slide as opposed to a clearing space/angle slide? GL

It's not an attack on you to tell you that the floor manager who told you that was wrong.

People are reasonably responding both to the specific claim about Thunder Valley and to this general claim from the same comment:

Don't conflate them. This latter claim does not involve a middle "messenger". It is direct from you, and it is very wrong.