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02-02-2009 , 11:19 AM
I was playing 1-2NL in Tunica, MS this weekend and the following hand happened.
I limp in in 6th position with 5c9c for $2. About four limpers when the small blind raises it to $10. 3 people call including myself. Flop is 554 rainbow. Small blind bets $20. First limper raises to $45, second limper folds and I call. Small blind re-raises $100 more. The next guy agonizes for a long time then folds. With all of that action I'm a little scared because I have an awful kicker (after evaluating the hand I realize the original raiser probably has a big pair but I didn't see it at the time). I pick up my 5 and am looking at it and I decide I'm going to call and show him the 5. I really didn't want to committ another $250 to this pot after the call. I have $400 behind and he has $250. I don't know if I can show him the 5 as I don't know if that is legal so I act like I accidently tic it over while I'm thinking. Everyone sees it and I just leave it there. The guy next to me says "are you just gonna leave it" and I say, "might as well, he saw it". The turn and river go check, check and he turns over aces.
Is this play horrible? Legal? The move accomplished what I wanted, to stop the betting, even though I now realize he probably had a big pair, I think my call would have stopped him from betting anyway.
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02-02-2009 , 11:36 AM
So the guy bumps it up from the small blind and you think its more likely that he has a random oddball case 5 in his hand instead of TT-AA??? I know this is B&M and were supposed to be discussing whether or not exposing your card is allowed but come on. Anyways its my understanding that if the hand is heads up then you are technically allowed to expose your hand (though oftentimes its done when facing an all-in and the player exposing his hand is looking to get a reaction out of his opponent) and is considered unethical. This certainly doesn't seem like a necessary spot to do this though as it should be a pretty easy spot to shove your chips in confidently.
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02-02-2009 , 11:36 AM
this is just a mess....

First you limp 9c5c in MP.... THEN call a raise, thats your first problem
Then you PUT the guy on his hand that you're going to get value from, and show him a hand that beats his so he doesnt bet anymore. But dont you want value out of your ****ty hand? He'll probably bet the turn and river and you get more value. YOu played the 95, isnt this the best possible flop you can hope for?

This is like the nittiest thing ever.... you should re-evaluate how you play poker
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02-02-2009 , 11:43 AM
In some rooms your hand may be declared dead for this, even if it's an "accident". Be careful.

What do you do if he bets again? Exposing your card seems to guarantee you lose the most when behind and win the least when ahead. There's a seat open in my game...
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02-02-2009 , 11:46 AM
Boggles my mind how anyone can think showing your cards is a good idea.
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02-02-2009 , 11:49 AM
Sounds like you are lucky somebody didn't accuse you of colluding with that guy. YOu showed him your hand so he wouldn't lose anymore
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02-02-2009 , 11:51 AM
if you are scared to put money into a pot with trips, then you should not be playing NL. LHE might suit your risk tolerance level better.
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02-02-2009 , 12:00 PM
Guys, I totally realize I played this horrible. It was at the end of an 8 hr session, I was tired and ready to go. I had been running over the table and I ended up winning over 700 dollars which is very good for 1-2. I feel that I am a pretty good player but I am still learning. The fact that I was up so much, led me to make the very loose call and the way the small blind had been playing the whole night it he could have made that raise with pocket 4's, which was the only hand I was scared of. I just didn't want to lose $400 on a 95 suited.
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02-02-2009 , 12:32 PM
I find people who expose cards are generally looking for reasons to fold.

I do what I can to provide those reasons.
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02-02-2009 , 01:01 PM
Yea, i bet it would be hard to go all in with the aces if you actually saw the 5 though. Maybe you would. I just couldn't understand him re-raising there even with the aces because he had already been raised and I called the raise. I figured it must have crossed his mind someone had a 5 but I guess not.
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02-02-2009 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DocKev
Is this play horrible? Legal? The move accomplished what I wanted, to stop the betting, even though I now realize he probably had a big pair, I think my call would have stopped him from betting anyway.
Legality depends on the room. Most rooms I have played in do allow players to expose hands if heads up. But the Borgata, for example, does not. [Technically, the Borgata does not allow, but you merely get a warning if you do -- you're hand is not dead).]

But it is a horrible move. It allows all hands you are beating to check it down and allows all hands you are behind to bet with impunity. If an ace rolled off on the turn or river, what are the chances the SB will still check to you?
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02-02-2009 , 01:25 PM
No don't do that.
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02-02-2009 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
I find people who expose cards are generally looking for reasons to fold.
^Good point.

So far, the only response worthy of...well...response.
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02-02-2009 , 06:02 PM
lol quit poker
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02-02-2009 , 06:02 PM
what do u think he's raising out of the blinds when 4 ppl limp? A5 suited? rofl
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02-02-2009 , 06:52 PM
What would have you done if he shove? Seriously, you consider your a "good" player?
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02-02-2009 , 07:25 PM
I have already said I played the hand poorly. Any of you who even consider yourself totally amazing are full of crap if you don't think you play any hands poorly or have not made bad decisions. Up until that point I had played a very solid game. While results don't always prove who is good and who isn't, I had a very good trip. I was just getting tired. I racked up soon after that hand and called it the night. The point of the post was really to find out the rules. I was wondering if he could have called the floor and had my hand killed. Some of you provided good insight into this and basically it seems it's a room by room rule. I appreciate all the responses. Thanks again.
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02-02-2009 , 07:43 PM
Generally, the types of players that I've come across that like to show their hand are one of 2 types:

The ones debating whether to call a big bet and will show to try to get a read if they're hand is good (like pfap said, looking for a reason to fold)

or, and these guys are rare but a delight to play with, the scared types that will usually show when they've bet huge and someone else is debating a call, usually on a drawy board - they'll show a very strong but vulnerable hand in order to "scare" the other person into folding.
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02-02-2009 , 08:05 PM
stopped reading at ..."so i limped with 59s"
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02-02-2009 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DLU
stopped reading at ..."so i limped with 59s"
Thank you for that helpful post . . .

OP it depends on the room is mostly correct. Also, it is almost never allowed in tournaments (and rightly so since this is softplaying), only cash games. Only do it when heads up when you have ending action.
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02-02-2009 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by they were suited
OP it depends on the room is mostly correct. Also, it is almost never allowed in tournaments (and rightly so since this is softplaying), only cash games. Only do it when heads up when you have ending action.
HU you're usually ok. even if you're in a room that has a rule against it, someone would have to make a fuss, or the dealer be having a bad day,
or just have come from a meeting about it (hard to imagine) because most likely people are just entertained/curious about what's going on. in general, be aware of overly douchy and/or stick-up-they-ass players who look
for any an edge via rules. and don't do anything silly against them.
in most low stakes games people are just along for the ride in this scenario. enjoy the tirades.
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02-03-2009 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DocKev
Guys, I totally realize I played this horrible. It was at the end of an 8 hr session, I was tired and ready to go. I had been running over the table and I ended up winning over 700 dollars which is very good for 1-2. I feel that I am a pretty good player but I am still learning. The fact that I was up so much, led me to make the very loose call and the way the small blind had been playing the whole night it he could have made that raise with pocket 4's, which was the only hand I was scared of. I just didn't want to lose $400 on a 95 suited.
I think your biggest mistake was starting this thread.

NL holdem is all about looking for golden opportunities. And from the above description, your golden opportunity here was to go all-in, close your eyes and say over and over to yourself "I hope my pair of 9s is good here". If you can't do that, then as suggested by somebody else, you should be playing Limit.
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02-03-2009 , 06:19 PM
Wow. This is why we play the game....
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02-03-2009 , 07:41 PM
If a player "accidently" exposes a key card during the play I automatically suspect that it is done on purpose. It is always appreciated, keep doing it.
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