No one should be entitled to a count of a player's un-wagered chips. If your room entitles a player to that information it's one of the few that does.

This is also non-standard. I've never played in a room where you aren't allowed to raise to any amount after announcing raise and placing the *exact* amount of the call into the pot. If you are facing a bet of $59, and put in $60 while after or while announcing a raise, then I can see it being ruled a minimum raise. But if you put in $59 and announce it, you should be able to raise to whatever you want.

This is how it is everywhere I've played - even though RROP states differently. I've never seen a room that strictly adheres to RROP's rules on raising.

Star Sydney....not sure how you got it from that.

whoops. I thought I was in the thread about Monte Carlo. I need to pay more attention

Room rules vary, but I'd like to see the dealer step in right away and clarify what the bet size is. Personally, I'd like that All-in button tossed his way, and a reminder that they can only put themselves all-in.

Regarding the 'missed 3rd player big stack'... if you have 2k in your chipstack, I assume you know how to protect it. As I'm treating it like an all-iin... he's all-in for 2k. No chance to angle. Maybe he was waiting for a reaction from big stack P3... P3 snap calls the 2k, shows the nuts and then P2 argues for a smaller bet. P3 folds to the 2k bet and has now been freerolled.

Out of curiosity, would you guys consider a guy in seat 1 saying "I bet whatever the guy in seat 2 has left" a valid bet in a three way hand?

Know your rights men.. lol

I wouldn't consider it valid*

* Unless the action started HU and Seat 2 calls. Then I call it action offered/accepted.


I'd like the dealer to speak up right away and ask for valid action. Either S1 bets a dollar amount, or goes all-in themselves.

If the hand is multiway, even an approximate count should suffice and accomplish the same as an exact stack size bet.

This is what I do in the box. If it's heads up I just clarify "You're allin?" and when they confirm, I feel like that removes any chance of an angle.

This is correct and what I'll do in a multiway pot.

Not necessarily true.

In my experience, a lot of "I'll put you all in" comments in multi-way pots, are people trying to bet the a specific amount of one of their opponents. If it was heads up, I agree with you and also get annoyed at the "THATS NOT A BET" nits.

I have some sympathy for the dealer because clearly he got talked to about what the bet size is already. Some people believe it is totally up to the players to ask for clarification on the bet size. It is possible that the shift manager told him to shut up in this situation and not clarify it unless asked out of a fear that counting out the bets will slow down the game.

i heard a player say it today, "I PUT U ALL IN" , immed,i cry,"u cannot put him all in sir", simple.