Few things at a poker table tilt me more than someone trying to show one card at showdown and drag the pot.

Thanks for the suggestion. I will try doing this.

To answer your question, I'm pretty sure you were not cheated.

You never mention actually showing your second card.
Why didn't you just flip over your second card as soon as the dealer mentioned that you needed to show it? It seems hard to believe that the floor was called in less than the amount of time it takes to flip over card. If your hand was properly tabled when the floor got there, I'm pretty sure the ruling would have gone your way.

And I don't know what casinos you've played in, but in every one I've played in, you must show both cards to win at showdown, and people are being constantly reminded of this fact.

It's always frustrating when someone doesn't bother to read posts and answers as if something that didn't happen was the actual version of events.

Here are my thoughts.

I too have played many casinos and have seen the one card flip a lot and have done it from time to time. However, here is the scenario where this happens. Heads up on the river, playerA bets, playerB calls. PlayerA says you got trips? PlayerB flips over one card and playerA mucks. Note that in this scenario, playerA is actually obligated to show his hand first by showdown rules. However, playerB shows a winning card and playerA can now muck without showing allowing playerB to win the pot without having to show his other card. That's the price playerA pays to allow his hand to be mucked without showing it.

If playerA thinks he has the best hand, he flips it over. Now, playerB must show BOTH cards to win the pot. That's where the rule kicks in. He must beat that tabled hand with two cards.

If you think you can just show one card as described in your OP and have the pot shipped to you, I have to question your observational skills while playing all over the world.

And yes, the ruling was bad as you described it. You should be forced (asked) to either table you second card or muck before your hand is declared dead.

Your post makes a lot of sense.

I'm sorry, I just read your entire post for the fourth time and I still don't see where you flipped you other card over.
Did you show your other card when the dealer "alluded" to your mistake or not?
Did you show your other card when the floor was called over or not?
I think it would make a big difference as to the outcome.
What am I missing?

You didn't get a pot that you should have gotten. I'd say you deserved it though.

How sage of you.

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I think maybe I'm somewhat responsible for the OP-hate here. I don't think OP is trying to be a jerk, I just think maybe he doesn't quite understand how to conduct himself and is earnestly confused.

You dismissed this post. Overall you seem to be dismissing the idea that you didn't protect your hand. You haven't answered where you put your kicker.

So we're to understand that you didn't have the cards directly in front of you, with a hand on them? And that in the time you sat there waiting for the floor to show up, you didn't hold them with an iron grip and/or flip over the kicker?

Again, I suggest you re-think the motivations of your dealer, and re-assign what she meant by her comments. I think you threw your cards into the board and that's what the dealer meant. Otherwise, I find it impossible to believe that you couldn't flip over your second card before the floor arrived at the table.

Don’t see where “cheated” enters into this at all. As told, enough blame to go around.

You’re half way there. Show both cards and protect them……………..

Quick question, was there a betting line, and did your face down card go over it?

This is the entire crux of the problem. If you have your two cards in your cold dying hands, you most certainly have the opportunity to expose both of them. The hand is not over until you do. If they have been tossed or are free to roam the table, then they can disappear and die in a corner (muck pile).

I too find it difficult to believe that the floor came over and killed a hand that a guy had his clutches on. It's of course difficult to rule from a keyboard but there are common sense guidelines. And OP does need to admit that he needs to table both his cards to win this pot. If he smugly tossed his 7 face up and the other face down into the middle of the table, I can't really disagree with dealer or floor.

The problem on the other side is that I really don't like killing hands over a technicality. I know the rules and I can't argue with the floor if in fact he released his hand and threw the cards across the table, but nobody can dispute that he did in fact have at least trips. If there's a question about the integrity of the deck, it's a trivial matter to check.

But we're no longer in a world with small rooms run by people who know poker. Protect your hand. As a dealer I'd hate to push the pot to the other guy. Even if I felt you were a flaming douchebag (and I'm not saying you are), I'd still want you to get the pot. I agree it wasn't very upstanding of the dealer... but, well, protect your hand.

I'd still like to know where the kicker was during all of this, tho'.

That dealer was definitely a b*tch, I know that. If she's going to rule on a technicality when the other guy had already conceded, at least she should've actually warned me(instead of lying about it), and definitely should've given me a chance to show my other card before calling the floor. The floor was also strange to just rule in 1 microsecond without even walking over to this table(he was standing over another table at the time). It's extra-ridiculous that she did this on her last hand dealt at the table and promptly got up and left so I had no chance to even get a second ruling.

And the other player definitely isn't your honest type to keep half the pot after conceding the whole pot to me before.

But I do accept that showing one card was inviting this sort of thing to happen.. and while the cards were not mucked and they were right in front of me, my hand was no longer on them. Yes I've said many times now but in the future, I keep my hand on both cards and show them.. then a dealer like her would have to physically drag the cards out of my hand to muck my winning hand and I doubt anyone would ever do that.

But on second thought.. even that... I remember reading someone who had his winning hand in his hand mucked by the dealer so... lol

Lets see. The dealer is a bitch because she called the floor and the floor made a ruling you don't like? Apparently the floor (her supervisor) thinks she did the right thing.

And little whiny player didn't get a warning? How about when she said to you this is the second tiem you have done that before she calle dthe floor? why didn't you table your hand then?

And your an idiot if you think that a dealer should stand around after getting pushed so that you can carry on and call her a bitch because you don't like a floor ruling. She left the table because she was suppose dto move on.

If you don't like a floor ruling take it up with the floor.

Very nice name calling. I hope B&M rules are enforced for dealers as well as just "regular posters" and you receive some infraction points. Anyways, if you really think the dealer was in the right to even call the floor or that the floor was right to kill the hand when the pot had already been conceded and there was no doubt op had the winning hand then it is obvious just how truly biased you are!

After so many posts the OP still didn't clarify what happened to his kicker.
He only said the kicker was infront of him. How far infront? Did the OP move his kicker card when he turned over his trip? Did the OP ONLY moved his trip card? Or did he throw his kicker towards the muck and only turned over his trip card?

Obviously OP threw away / mucked his kicker card. Should be grateful he got to keep 1/2 the pot.

This is how I see it too. They have no reason to rule the hand dead if you have kept your cards in front of you, they should just ask to turn the other one over too. But if you toss the cards clearly toward the center, or turn one card over in front of you and toss the other, Id rule the hand dead. It doesnt matter if the one card you show beats the other guys hand. I think you must show both cards and if you muck before that, even just the other card, its a dead hand.

As has been said before in this hand, dont get cute in these situations and always protect your hand until you have either been shown a better hand or given the pot. Its as simple as that.

... oh and I would never show just one card and I hate when people do that. I hate to have to ask to see the other one. Just flip the freaking cards over and move on to next hand.

You obviously decided to make a post of unprovoked personal attacks without learning what actually happened due to your bias. I agree with the reply straight after you that this kind of post is wrong.

I can live with some infraction points. Guy calls dealer a bitch while she isn't here to defend herself - I feel justified speaking up for her.

I'm not sure the floor ruling is correct. In fact I would say that it was incorrect except that the rantings of the OP lead me to wonder if his account of what occurred may not be off in a few very significant details.

But here is the thing. Assuming his account is accurate. Then the fact that the floor ruled the hand dead instantly indicates to me that the room may have some sort of rule whereby the hand is dead in this situation. If that is the case then that would easily explain why the dealer called the floor.

A dealer is always justified in calling the floor. The dealer can never be wrong in calling the floor.

Your the one called the Dealer a bitch. Not me. So go apologize to the dealer then come back and pretend you are the victim here.

And the only way I could learn what happened was from reading your posts. So if I have the wrong information about what happened it must have come from your posts.