So was in Vegas for a friends birthday recently and stayed at THE Hotel at Mandalay ( now the Delano or w/e).
Anyway first night we get back to the room at about 3am and I go looking for a cash game.

Found a 1/3 game in their tiny poker room and am having a good time for about an hour and this annoying hand happens.

I brick out a FD after calling turn bet IP and am prepared to fold to any bet on the river.
Old reg asks "how much will you call?" I'm kinda drunk and having fun and jokingly say "I'll probably call 80".
He bets 80 I snap fold and he freaks out saying that I have to call. They stop the action and get the floor over and after hearing both sides rule that I owe the guy $80.

My issue is that the action wasn't even on me when I said this, and all I said was that I'll "probably" call 80.
He then gives me the "gonna have to learn the rules the hard way speech" acting like I'm some tourist noob. (Which I kind of am)

Anyway super tilting and this couldn't have been the correct ruling right??

Actually at Mandalay bay that's the correct ruling. They have some very unique rules there, and saying things like that is binding.

If that was the final ruling I would pay the 80, talk to the room manager and walk out of the room and not go back for a long time...there are 1 or 2 other options in Las Vegas, although it will be a 10-15 dollar cab ride.

Funny I was just at MB for work and played their a couple of nights when I only had a couple of hours ( went to Bellagio when I had more time other 2 nights) and my experience was fine, although all the high hand promos, getting tickets for this drawing or that, bday promotions....were nuts. Why not just reduce the rake.

So this guy just regularly angles tourists then? Nice.

Pos angle shooter. If they are going to have stupid rules like that they should at least punish the anglers as well

Thank you for letting me know not to ever play at MB. What a horrible rule and sleazy angle shooter.

It's a strange room. The maximum buy-in for the 1/3 game is $1000. That's great for the nit regs that like to play tight and wait for the nuts.

Cash doesn't play either.

That is hilarious. What if he said, "There is a 70% chance I'll call $80"? Do they always round up to 100%?

+1

I know they are pretty strict with the rules there but the OP didn't say he would call. "Probably" doesn't mean he will call 100 percent of the time. Maybe he will call 90 percent of the time or barely over 50 percent of the time.

Maybe I'll check the rules there again because if that's the way the rule is written then that's silly.


I'm really sure that the action not being on you was a losing argument with the way they are strict with the rules there. I wouldn't even verbalized my actions out of turn in other rooms.

No. He would have been forced to call $56.

$80 x 0.70 = $56.

That's insane. It's a table stakes game. So what if you had said you'd call only a million dollar bet? Would that effectively force you to call an all in bet? I'd refuse to call and walk out with my chips and happily never come back ever again. Make them call Gaming.

I don;t like the ruling..... but you see how you subjected yourself to it.

Guy is being an idiot at the table with the dumb table table talk "How much would you call?"

So you joined in with the dumb table talk.

Don't.

If you don't decide to say stupid stuff at the table the floor can't bind you to the stupid stuff you say.


Again I don't like the ruling..... of course there is also another thing out there..


You say you said "I would probably call $80" but is that fact really not in dispute .... or was the floor facing a senario where one version was you said "I'll call $80" and your version was "I'll probably call $80" because even though I still wouldn't like the ruling it starts getting more into a place that many people would believe you should be held to it.

What hand did the old reg have?

Ridiculous as old reg is asking a speculative question . In regard to not engaging in table talk why not just wear sunglasses and headphones and not say anything so you can't be trapped by some douche?

Don't pay and take the 86. Lot of other places to stay and play, most of which are in a better location.

Yes obviously there is no in between. If you don't say "I'll probably call $80" you clearly are an antisocial person who doesn't a word.

You couldn't possibly say something like "I don't know. Why don't you bet and find out?"

"I haven't decided yet"

"How about that Football game .... do you believe how bad the referees were?"

"Oh your talking to me? I didn't realize I was still in the hand."

You see there are all kinds of stupid things you can say that aren't suggestive of you agreeing to anything.

He flopped a set.

Glad to see that people are on my side here. I thought it was ridiculous and I haven't played a whole lot live (at least in casinos) so I didn't really think I could get away with not paying.

I showed him my 10 high like wtf I'm obviously not calling dude.

Ordered another FREE red bull vodka at least that helped.

+1

Don't let Mandalay Bay's insistence on absurd house rules - the most egregious of which is that YOU CANNOT GET A COPY OF THE NON-STANDARD HOUSE RULES - turn into your problem.

Refuse to pay, get 86'd, post negative feedback on Yelp, TripAdvisor, and basically any other review site.

Most 'regs' are losers, why is everyone so afraid of poker addicts?

Was a weird poker experience.. literally right after that I had this hand where I raised button with J6dd and flop was J high.
Checked round to me and as I'm betting $25 dealer flips turn which was a Q ( obv didn't see I was betting or in the hand or whatever)
She realized I was going to bet and said that she will shuffle the Q back in, which seemed normal to me.
All of a sudden this other guy flips out saying that I was never going to bet and that the queen should be the turn, of course action stops and floor gets called AGAIN and the floor sided with the dealer.

After the ruling the guy who was pissed just stood up said f*** this and flipped JQ face up and grabs chips, and immediately after another guy in the hand says "Yeah F this I'm done" and flips AJ and stands up!!!
They both walk away and I won the pot I was just sitting there quiet like are you kidding me??

All great points after the fact as an armchair quarterback. Op probably didn't know had option of walking out and not coming back. I am sure OP probably didn't realize a speculative question could be used to be binding when it wasn't even his action.

The correct course of action would have been to award the reg the pot without the 80 added in unless it is the rooms intention to have sleazy angle shoots be the law of the land.

What a jerk off nit angle shooting reg

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What if OP answered "I'll probably fold" would that be binding too lol?

Declaring action out-of-turn is binding in lots of poker rooms, but saying that you'd probably call doesn't sound like a clear declaration. What if you said might instead of probably? I'm beginning to think we may not be hearing the full story or hearing it fully accurate. IF it happened as related, it's absurdly wonky. Frankly, it's hard to believe as told, for a poker room in Vegas.