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03-26-2014 , 12:23 AM

Whoiami

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I have a question in how dealers would handle someone going "north"

Not going to bore you with all the minor details...

Seat 3: villan
Seat 4 and 10 also in the hand.

After the flop S3 bets 55 and S4 asks to see what S3 has left. S3 shows 55 on the felt. S4 and 10 call the 55. Turn card is put out, and S3 leans over to see card and goes all in and it is more than 55. S4 mutters something about it.

S3 says that the chips were in his hand the whole time.

P.s. I am not an English major so please don't bash how I write

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03-26-2014 , 12:37 AM

that_pope

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I had a guy do that to me in a tourney. Was sitting next to me and folded to me in SB (he was in BB) and I asked to see his stack and he was already holding all his high denomination chips in his hand, so it looked like he had ~10 BB, so naturally I pushed. I was fairly new to poker then, and I would already have a good idea of his chip stack now without having to look just then, but it felt so dirty.

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03-26-2014 , 02:13 PM

psandman

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This isn't going North. This is hiding chips. Going North would be adding chips to the stack.

This is sometimes intentional and sometimes unintentional. Lots of players keep chips in their hands and some just don't realize it.

If the amount is insubstantial (the guy had 2 $1 chips in his hand) let them play and shame on you for making a fuss.

If the amount is substantial ... my gut instinct is to let the opponent decide if the chips play (you can call either $55 or the whole thing) .... but in this case the matter is complicated by the fact that there are two innocent players

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03-26-2014 , 02:24 PM

Whoiami

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I don't think s10 had a clue what was really going on. S3 is known for shady behavior. No one was really sure if they were in his hand or not.

It ended up with S4 folding and s10 getting it all in with S3

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03-26-2014 , 02:27 PM

AngusThermopyle

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Originally Posted by Whoiami

... S3 shows 55 on the felt.

...and it is more than 55.

56 is more than 55
256 is more than 55

I guess you don't think the amount matters, since you didn't mention it.

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03-26-2014 , 03:14 PM

Whoiami

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Sorry if someone goes "north" or conceals chips intentionally, the amount shouldn't matter

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03-26-2014 , 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

56 is more than 55
256 is a LOT more than 55

I guess you don't think the amount matters, since you didn't mention it.

fixed.....

a small amount wouldn't really matter to me, a large amount is something to maybe make a fuss about.

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03-26-2014 , 04:54 PM

ythelongface

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The fact that you have not answered the question would seem to imply it was not a significant amount.

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03-26-2014 , 08:02 PM

Whoiami

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Roughly 100 it Was all red

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03-26-2014 , 08:15 PM

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Didace

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You missed 20 chips in his hand?

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03-26-2014 , 08:34 PM

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EfromPegTown

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Originally Posted by Whoiami

Roughly 100 it Was all red

This is too good. How could you possibly miss 20 chips. Did he have Shaq hands?

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03-26-2014 , 09:15 PM

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psandman

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Missing a stack of reds tells us one of two things.

Either it was clearly intentional on the part of the player to hide them and he was as killed sleight of hand artist.

or

The chips weren't hidden, you were just to focused. (I once missed an entire rack of chips that weren't hidden .... when they were pointed out I realized I had just had a brain fart ..... and it cost me because I tabled my hand thinking my opponent had been all in)

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03-26-2014 , 09:40 PM

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browser2920

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Played at a table were a guy was deliberately keeping a couple of black chips in his hands (in a 2/5 game without many black chips in play). The situation came up with an all in, and he shows the black only after the guy calls. Floor ruled high denom chips have to be clearly visible, so they didn't play. Seemed like a good ruling to me.

But if I guy has two or three dollar chips, then I'd say no big deal, let them play.

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03-26-2014 , 09:40 PM

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Whoiami

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Originally Posted by psandman

Like I said he is kinda shady... I am sure he has tried stuff like this before

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03-26-2014 , 09:45 PM

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BigBlue56

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It's dirty, and I'm not sure how it would be handled properly.

I'm not a dealer or floor. I would hope that they would keep those chips out of play, but that opens up a new can of worms when a player hides chips they don't want to risk (all-in protection for less than an all-in).

It does let us know the player is shady. Calling the floor will at least establish a pattern, should the same player be a repeat offender.

I'm not a fan of letting Seat 4 decide if they play, he may be holding the nuts and acting disgusted, wanting all the chips in. Perhaps it's a lesson to be more aware, but it seems unfair.

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03-27-2014 , 08:56 AM

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Didace

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Originally Posted by Whoiami

Like I said he is kinda shady...

With really big hands, right?

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03-27-2014 , 11:02 AM

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albedoa

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If you're gonna be shady and prey on the oblivious, it helps to have comically massive hands.

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03-27-2014 , 12:15 PM

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dinesh

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Maybe he just has a magician's trick thumb. Easy to slide a stack of redbirds in there after pointing across the room and shouting "look! it's JFK!"

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03-27-2014 , 03:14 PM

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browser2920

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whenever I see someone with unusually large hands, I watch them very closely.

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03-27-2014 , 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dinesh

Maybe he just has a magician's trick thumb. Easy to slide a stack of redbirds in there after pointing across the room and shouting "look! it's JFK!"

Looked kinda like this.....

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